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Dorek1998

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Sup.
Disclaimer: This is a rewritten and reposted thread. The purpose of me rewriting it, is editing lots of flaws and not thought-out topics I talked about on the previous thread. Also the voting poll was a big issue too, since users can not edit the polls. Do NOT consider it as spam.

Back to the thread. So, below, I've given you all the assortment of improvements I could consider as viable:

#1 Improving Creepers: This thread explains everything: https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/tower-defence-creepers-are-underpowered.219144/

#2 Making Pigmen less expensive but also less powerful: These buddies are a good sort of quick offense, but they're quite expensive to send and because of this, they lay in the shadow of almighty Wither skeletons who are a bit more expensive, but they have a lot more health and can be supported with Witches due to the same movement speed. There's two aspects that could be a subject to change - Lowering their price and decreasing their health, so they can be used for quick rushing but also not be too overpowered for these who are in a hurry. It'd give players a chance to strike quickly and evffectively, but it would also be easy to counteract (One ice, One Quake, a few Artilleries on path 2 and pigs are pretty much done for.);

#3 Amplifying Witch's healing ability every level: Witches have a big potential to use them as the only TD's support. However, it's not that great to see that every time a witch levels up, the only thing that changes, is her HP. Sure, it's helpful against Infernos, because they don't die instantly from them and last quite long... but Hey, they're like medics, their job is to heal other troops and it's obvious that the quality of the healer depends on their efficiency. What I mean by that, is boosting the health Witches heal every time they level up. Their mechanics of healing work like this: Each 3 seconds, a witch releases a health burst, which heals 10 HP for around 1 second. My idea is to buff this effect every time a Witch levels up, in numbers:
Lv 1 - 10 HP/burst
Lv 2 - 12 HP/burst
Lv 3 - 15 HP/burst
Lv 4 - 18 HP/burst
Lv 5 - 20 HP/burst.

#4 Giving blazes...: No, wait, they're already the TD Meta. NEXT!

#5 Enhancing Giants: Now we're on the top... of what can potentially waste your money on. I mean... they're good, they're just not as powerful as their price is and as their description advertises. They're known as "the strongest troop". I agree and disagree. Reasons: The troop with most HP in the game? Yes. The troop hardest to be taken care of? No, that position goes to blazes. So how would I make them more viable, yet still not overpowered?
Number one: Make their passive regeneration amplify every upgrade. E.x. lv 1 giant would have 5 HP/sec and each upgrade would have the upgrade enhanced by 5 more HP/sec, ending on Giant level 5 having a whooping 25 HP/sec regeneration.
Number two: Make their minions a 5x version of the regular zombies. By that I mean them having 5 times more HP than their representant. Why? So it doesn't end like: "They call me a diamond zombie minion. I am an indestructible forc- *dies*". A diamond zombie would end up having around 800 HP per minion, which would be good enough for them to survive a bit before dying and actually doing their job which is retracting tower fire from their one and only giant who created them and needs their help.
Number three: Some people don't know, some do - Giant level 1 has Quake immunity. So something what would definitely power up the Giants would be adding Quake immunity on every level of the Giant, not just the weakest. Who, aside from new players, would use Giants on level 1 anyway?

#6 Buffing Silverfish, and exactly: Endermites. This one can be a bit complicated. Endermites are just like Silverfish, but with more health and one Very. VERY nasty weakness - Increased Mage tower vulnerability. Which, by they way, is a bit senseless, because most people use Mage towers to stop silverfish in the first place, so why would making Endermites even MORE vulnerable to mages a good option? Something Endermites need, is either complete immunity to mage towers, or at least big damage reduction taken from Mages. Because right now Endermites can take 5 damage from lv 1 mage every 3 seconds, 10 from lv 2, 15 from lv 3, and... Wait for it... 20 Damage Every SECOND from a mage lv 4. Not only that, this effect STACKS, which means that a few Lv 4 mages can eat Endermites for breakfast, lunch, dinner, supper and every other kind of meal. For Notch's sake, Give them like... 75% damage resistance from Mage towers, so they can be at least a bit more challenging to fight against.

#7 Buffing Sorcerers path 2: This. Tower. Is. Everywhere. I don't know why, whenever I play this game, someone has to build this tower somewhere, whether it'd be in front, behind defences or somewhere on the middle of a big spot, while someone haven't figured out it's for bigger towers... But I deviate from the subject. The issue is... They're NOT good compared to other choices. Why? Two reasons:
One: Summoning all 4 ally troops requires 12 seconds (cooldown is 4 seconds per troop), which means you have to wait 12 seconds for it's full DPS which is 15 damage/second. Compare that to Zeus Path 2, which deals same DPS, but does it instantly and ALSO attacks flying troops;
Two: Simple and obvious - Artilleries on path 1 are way cheaper than Sorcerers path 2 and do a LOT more with their explosives than a Sorcerer would do with his animals, ESPECIALLY against huge groups of ground monsters. You'd obviously want to attack hundreds of magma cubes with one big 20-damage explosion than 15 DPS tower which can only affect one magma at a time, right?
So how would I buff this thing to make it viable? One: Make them summon their troops instantly, Two: Because they can only harm ground mobs, doubling the damage would be a great payoff for focus fire (It'd act kinda like a Necromancer tower lv II at some point? Except being a bit more expensive, but able to put on a small spot?).

That's all for now. I will be adding more content if there is anything else to suggest.
 
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To add onto what I think with giants, I think that they need a buff only in the normal tower defence gamemode. Maybe a bit in the survival gamemode, but they still seem to work moderately well and it's how I end up winning quite a few survival games.
 

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To add onto what I think with giants, I think that they need a buff only in the normal tower defence gamemode. Maybe a bit in the survival gamemode, but they still seem to work moderately well and it's how I end up winning quite a few survival games.

Uhm... Inferno potions, quake towers and ice towers exist. That's all you need to dump Giants into their secondary grave.
 
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Blazes for me are too overpowered.I think they have to be nerfed,anyway I agree with all the things you suggested

The thing is, blazes are one of the few things that can actually end a game right now with double income and when it goes to late game. Everything else can be easily countered. If this was changed, games would go on for a lot longer in lots of cases and they would go right to the end.
 

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Uhm... Inferno potions, quake towers and ice towers exist. That's all you need to dump Giants into their secondary grave.

Yh, maybe make giants a bit more resistant to inferno AoEs because they're really cheap and they just shred through mobs like giants. This would make it more tower based, and then the towers could also be tweaked a little bit as well.
 

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Yh, maybe make giants a bit more resistant to inferno AoEs because they're really cheap and they just shred through mobs like giants. This would make it more tower based, and then the towers could also be tweaked a little bit as well.

Adding Quake immunity and faster regeneration is enough to compensate for Giants' vulnerability to infernos. They have 9K on max level after all, so that's quite a bit of infernos. Unless you're like most people and send 12 Giants in the same wave. Then wish them good luck. taking 12x damage because of your idea.
 

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*sigh*, Let me bump that thing up, maybe someone else notices and decides to speak up.
 

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1. Creepers do suck. Idk what to do about them.
I assume you were too lazy to click on the other thread link, weren't you?

2. Pigmen are okay right now. They do a good job of making sure a team utilizes poison.
But like... Have you NEVER used Wither skeletons lv 4-5 or something..? Don't you see the HP differences and the price differences for both troop types..? It\s just completely not worth sending Pigs when Wither skeletons on lv 4 do Pigs' job a lot better.

3. Witches are already one of the strongest early game troops, they don't need a buff.
That was was a side note, I just wanted to mention it because Witches are the ONLY support troops in the entire game - medics

5. Giants just need to be immune to inferno potions. There's no reason for them to be damaged by inferno. Quake resistance is a bit extreme.
Hold up. So it makes sense for you to make big versions of regular zombies immune to fire... But it doesn't make sense for you that I suggest immunity to a tower that is about shaking the ground and is actually smaller than they are..? I mean, their size is the reason why they don't seem to feel an earthquake process, that's why they should get that immunity (or at least huge resistance). But if they step on big lava lake, it's obvious they'll lose a part of their foot.

7. Nobody really knows this but Sorceror path 2 absolutely melts magma cubes if you use them with stun, slow, and artillery path 1. It's fine.
You're a good one for the laugh. Are you 100% SURE Sorcs Path 2 do the damage, not the Artilleries path 1 here? xD If you love your jokes, build ONLY Sorcerers path 2 against magmas. SPOILER ALERT: You'll get vaporized. Unless you build Sorcs on path 1.
 
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