Enderpearls in every gamemode

[noobisbeast]

Hi,

I think it would be great for everyone if you can buy enderpearls in every gamemode on some maps (maybe only on the maps where you can get Emerald?). Maps like Under Da Sea are amazing but they get really annoying when people are camping on their island and when you're trying to build a bridge, they'll shoot a million arrows on you with their punch bow. A perfect solution for this is an ender pearl. Even if it costs a lot of Emerald in normal mode...it can prevent camping. Who thinks this would be nice?

 

[GeldHaftige]

Yes, a Good idea. First I thought that it was a bad idea, But When you say for emerald looks it me a Good idea. +1
It is always annoying that people are camping. But I think a better idea than to add an enderpearl is adding of an elytra.

 

[Deeds]

No.
I have always been against this.
I never will agree.
E-Pearls are too OP for anything but Op mode.

How about take some time to make a safe bridge and quit being lazy

 

[noobisbeast]

It isn't about being lazy at all. It's about the amount of time that it takes to make a safe bridge. Besides that you have the chance to get punched off the bridge and your armor breaks really fast if someone is spamming with a bow on you.

I think there has to be done something against campers. They ruin everything, and the worst thing is that they win too often while they don't deserve it at all.

 

[Deeds]

Oh, its laziness alright.
You said "it's the amount of time it takes to make one"
That's laziness. Not wanting to take the time to build a safe bridge.

And if you don't want to get shot off, build the bridge at a high altitude.

 

[ChasingRainbows]

And if you don't want to get shot off, build the bridge at a high altitude.

For what it's worth, you physically can't build build high enough to not get shot.

But campers aren't actually that hard to beat, just time consuming and annoying. Yes they're a cancer to the game, but they're a part of the game and you just have to deal with it.

 

[nemsol]

Yes they're a cancer to the game

Please keep you bad language out of the forums and edit your post. First and last warning.

 

[Milkyy]

Please keep you bad language out of the forums and edit your post. First and last warning.

Tbh, I don't consider that has "bad language". I guess it's not best, but c'mon, it's not like saying f*** or sh**.

 

[Jackelele]

Oh, its laziness alright.
You said "it's the amount of time it takes to make one"
That's laziness. Not wanting to take the time to build a safe bridge.

And if you don't want to get shot off, build the bridge at a high altitude.

I agree with this - I'm sure it's already been suggested about adding Emerald Generators on all the maps - I think it really shouldn't be added to all maps because It's the only ones that they work on; what it's already on. It also causes games to go a lot longer, I do agree that It would make people unable to camp, but there is also a downside to it - that you're just being lazy, enderpearling around bases to destroy their eggs instead of working yourself to build a bridge or battling your way onto another island. It's a no from me :)

 

[ItsDavey_]

No, not a enderpeal for every gamemodr, it would be too op, That's Why you only can buy it in op items. I say a no

 

[Injunction]

Hi,

I think it would be great for everyone if you can buy enderpearls in every gamemode on some maps (maybe only on the maps where you can get Emerald?). Maps like Under Da Sea are amazing but they get really annoying when people are camping on their island and when you're trying to build a bridge, they'll shoot a million arrows on you with their punch bow. A perfect solution for this is an ender pearl. Even if it costs a lot of Emerald in normal mode...it can prevent camping. Who thinks this would be nice?

"prevent camping" isn't what this would do.
if anything it would promote camping because people camp eachother on their diamond gens
this has also been suggested before and denied I still don't agree because It does encourage it not prevent it

 

[Ducky]

An enderpearl is extremely OP in Eggwars and that's why you can only buy it in the Overpowered mode (for 64 Diamonds). I wouldn't like an enderpearl in Normal or in Hardcore because it would be way to OP in these modes. I don't like this idea.

 

[Qin Shihuangdi]

People, stop with these lame excuses to not add them. They're on Bedwars - and in my opinion that is the sole reason it's overperforming eggwars - you can actually freaking deal with the campers.

 

[ChasingRainbows]

People, stop with these lame excuses to not add them. They're on Bedwars - and in my opinion that is the sole reason it's overperforming eggwars - you can actually freaking deal with the campers.

The sole reason? No. In bedwars it's easier to kill people in general. I'm sure the fact that there's a knockback stick, you can only upgrade half your armor, the way the resource generator works, and how they jacked up attack speeds on weapons has something to do with it.

It's also because bedwars, for the most part, has a more simplistic map design. There is nothing like underdasea mid, or the teaparty cloud, or the sheer size of kingdom for a 16 player map, or the hellhole that is storm, all the bedwars maps are built solely for gameplay instead of eggwars where looking good is extremely important. Now I'm not saying eggwars maps are bad, and in most maps the gameplay is very good, but for someone who isn't well versed with the map and how to pvp on it teaparty or underdasea or even maps like fairground or space or dwarven can be really rough.

 

[0ffense]

You know Im very confused right now, I thought this thread would get a ton of support but instead its actually doing bad. Everyone hates campers, and they all want it to stop. This implement is literally taking another step in eliminating campers from eggwars! So why is everyone complaining about having a camper in every game but then refuses to have an item that can stop them?

 

[0ffense]

Oh, its laziness alright.
You said "it's the amount of time it takes to make one"
That's laziness. Not wanting to take the time to build a safe bridge.

And if you don't want to get shot off, build the bridge at a high altitude.

Building a safe bridge couldn't possibly be any harder when your being pummeled by punch 1 bow spams. Doing it at a high altitude won't make a difference because the campers can just make a high altitude fort. Plus, its not exactly "laziness" its just that they probably have to go soon and are locked in a stalemate because their opponent refuses to fight like a man.

 

[Deeds]

Building a safe bridge couldn't possibly be any harder when your being pummeled by punch 1 bow spams. Doing it at a high altitude won't make a difference because the campers can just make a high altitude fort. Plus, its not exactly "laziness" its just that they probably have to go soon and are locked in a stalemate because their opponent refuses to fight like a man.

If they make a high altitude fort and still camp that's bannable

 

[noobisbeast]

Thank you all for your reactions.

First of all, it isn't about being lazy at all. I've been in so many games where it becomes a nightmare to kill the last team if they are camping. In maps like Pizza or Storm you can build a brigde because the islands are not far from each other, but even in this maps it can become a nightmare to get to campers. In maps like Under Da Sea it's a nightmare because you'll have to build a really long bridge. The frustrating thing is that it takes way too long to build the bridge because, if people are spamming with their punch bow, it takes forever to build the bridge. This is what makes people leave the game because it isn't enjoyable anymore.

I didn't mean to put enderpearls in the game so people can fly everywhere where they want. Make the enderpearls REALLY expensive, something like 32 or 48, maybe even 64 emeralds a piece, so that people will buy those enderpearls only when they want to kill campers. It's like a last makeshift to win/end the game.

And why only emeralds, well, emeralds are only available in big maps like Under Da Sea. Don't make those enderpearls available in EVERY map, only the maps with emerald generators. I still think it's a very good way to end the game if you have to deal with campers.

OK...leave hardcore mode since we can't get a punch bow there, but this would be a really nice item for normal mode. We already got an enderpearl in overpowered mode and I think the price (64 diamonds in normal eggwars, 32 diamonds in speed eggwars) is about right.

 

[CommunistCactus]

To everyone saying "It's too OP", "You're just being lazy you can safe bridge" and "It's part of the game"

Explain why it's "too OP". Also, why are enderpreals "too op", but you are fine with punch bows? Why would it be "too OP"? Don't just say it, explain it.
"You're just being lazy you can safe bridge"

Even with the best gear currently available, safebridging just wouldn't work. Were not "being lazy", the enemy is ruining the fun of the game by causing an endless stalemate which is ruining the fun for players, and one of the reasons people moved to bedwars. The game should be fun for everyone, not straight out boring because camping is so easy and nothing is done about it. The numbers are not in favor your statement.

"It's part of the game"
With that attitude you could also say that no more updates for any game need to come out because every feature in that game is just "part of the game". That something is currently a part of the game doesn't mean it's good. Also, as seen by the numbers of people playing bedwars vs eggwars, people seem to not like that "part of the game" so much.

I'm not the only one who thinks enderpearls are necessary. Here are bunch of other threads requesting the exact same:
1. https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/campers-dont-we-love-them.176626/
2. https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/should-normal-eggwars-have-e-pearls.167471/
3. https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/a-possible-camping-solution.163557/
4. https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/eggwars-idea.132939/
5. https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/egg-wars-suggestions-because-i-care-too-much.121124/
6. https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/add-enderpreals-to-normal-eggwars.102153/
7. https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/ender-pearls-on-normal-mode.176853
8. https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/ender-pearls-in-normal-items.177226/
9. https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/enderpearls-in-norm-yes-or-no.178294/
10. https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/enderpearls-in-every-type-of-game.178497/
11. https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/epeals-in-normal.178811
12. https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/tnt-arrows.183153/#post-778450
13. https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/ender-pearl-suggestion.184108
14. https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/egg-wars-anti-camp-idea.131861/

Further arguments you may come up with:
"People would just rush everywhere with enderpreals instead of bridges"
-No, they're expensive for a reason

"This has been suggested many times before therefore it's not good"
Kind of hypocritical to say, there wouldn't be many threads asking for it if players wouldn't want it. Plus, I know plenty of features in games right now that had to be requested countless of times that have now finally made it.

"Normal is meant to be harder than OP"
-It's not that hard for the campers, plus people don't like the campers, again, just compare this to bedwars.

"It changes the game too much / They just don't fit in normal EW"
-It's pretty expensive so it shouldn't make the game an entirely different gamemode, plus people don't like the current situation so change is necessary.

"Build a sneaky bridge"
-Not all campers are that stupid, they can look out of their eyeballs, plus on some maps it's impossible to build a "sneaky bridge"

"build a safe / any other type of bridge"
-Campers have power bows too, they can still break your armor, punch you back for infinity, try to capture your bridge and grief it (blow it up) etc., plus it's extremely time consuming to do this on maps like Aztec (see picture I used above) and it's just ruining the fun of the game.

"Just use a shield"
-Try that in the picture I used above. Thing is, they can still spam arrows at your shield and break it, it takes a tremendous amount of time to build a safebridge this way which is again ruining the fun of the game, plus shields are incredibly expensive compared to bows and arrows (something that needs to change as well) which makes it very cost-inefficient to use which only extends the game, which again, ruins the fun of the game and is a thing people hate.

"Kill them with a bow"
-If you're fighting campers and trying to kill them with a bow, you're probably on a skybridge since shooting from mid / another island is nearly impossible since the long range makes it a piece of cake to dodge the arrows (especially on maps like Aztec, see picture above), plus the fact that campers have shields, blocks, and bows too. Since you're on the skybridge you're in an incredible disadvantage since they only have to focus their aim on one point whilst you have to change it every time they walk somewhere else, which is something you can't do since you're on a skybridge, plus the fact that they have a gold and a diamond generator right at their disposal and can make arrows and bows continuously, whilst you eventually run out. Going back is sometimes also not an option since it would mean they hijacking the skybridge and destroying all the progress you just made.

"just report all of them"
-Most of the playerbase doesn't know how to report players so this isn't a good solution, plus the bans arrive way too late and are way too short and have a very low accept rate and are easy to appeal for, causing campers to not care about it and making it not worth it to report,, plus a large majority of campers say it's not punishable.

"Just buy a rank and vote for overpowered if you want enderpearls so badly"
-Not everyone of cubecraft will suddenly buy a rank, thus this is not a solution to camping, plus overpowered is entirely different form normal mode.

"Eggwars is supposed to be a strategy game"
Camping your island to infinity doesn't look very strategic to me and is only ruining the game.

"Just rush everyone"
-Not everyone can rush, problem not solved, and obviously, you can't rush everything every time.

Camping is ruining Eggwars to this day, you can't deny that. All the arguments you make make no sense. IMO, I see no reason not to add them already.
@Deeds_GG @HScrozzy @Jackelele @iCheeetah

 

[Jackelele]

To everyone saying "It's too OP", "You're just being lazy you can safe bridge" and "It's part of the game"

Explain why it's "too OP". Also, why are enderpreals "too op", but you are fine with punch bows? Why would it be "too OP"? Don't just say it, explain it.
"You're just being lazy you can safe bridge"
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Even with the best gear currently available, safebridging just wouldn't work. Were not "being lazy", the enemy is ruining the fun of the game by causing an endless stalemate which is ruining the fun for players, and one of the reasons people moved to bedwars. The game should be fun for everyone, not straight out boring because camping is so easy and nothing is done about it. The numbers are not in favor your statement.

"It's part of the game"
With that attitude you could also say that no more updates for any game need to come out because every feature in that game is just "part of the game". That something is currently a part of the game doesn't mean it's good. Also, as seen by the numbers of people playing bedwars vs eggwars, people seem to not like that "part of the game" so much.

I'm not the only one who thinks enderpearls are necessary. Here are bunch of other threads requesting the exact same:
1. https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/campers-dont-we-love-them.176626/
2. https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/should-normal-eggwars-have-e-pearls.167471/
3. https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/a-possible-camping-solution.163557/
4. https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/eggwars-idea.132939/
5. https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/egg-wars-suggestions-because-i-care-too-much.121124/
6. https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/add-enderpreals-to-normal-eggwars.102153/
7. https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/ender-pearls-on-normal-mode.176853
8. https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/ender-pearls-in-normal-items.177226/
9. https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/enderpearls-in-norm-yes-or-no.178294/
10. https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/enderpearls-in-every-type-of-game.178497/
11. https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/epeals-in-normal.178811
12. https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/tnt-arrows.183153/#post-778450
13. https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/ender-pearl-suggestion.184108
14. https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/egg-wars-anti-camp-idea.131861/

Further arguments you may come up with:
"People would just rush everywhere with enderpreals instead of bridges"
-No, they're expensive for a reason

"This has been suggested many times before therefore it's not good"
Kind of hypocritical to say, there wouldn't be many threads asking for it if players wouldn't want it. Plus, I know plenty of features in games right now that had to be requested countless of times that have now finally made it.

"Normal is meant to be harder than OP"
-It's not that hard for the campers, plus people don't like the campers, again, just compare this to bedwars.

"It changes the game too much / They just don't fit in normal EW"
-It's pretty expensive so it shouldn't make the game an entirely different gamemode, plus people don't like the current situation so change is necessary.

"Build a sneaky bridge"
-Not all campers are that stupid, they can look out of their eyeballs, plus on some maps it's impossible to build a "sneaky bridge"

"build a safe / any other type of bridge"
-Campers have power bows too, they can still break your armor, punch you back for infinity, try to capture your bridge and grief it (blow it up) etc., plus it's extremely time consuming to do this on maps like Aztec (see picture I used above) and it's just ruining the fun of the game.

"Just use a shield"
-Try that in the picture I used above. Thing is, they can still spam arrows at your shield and break it, it takes a tremendous amount of time to build a safebridge this way which is again ruining the fun of the game, plus shields are incredibly expensive compared to bows and arrows (something that needs to change as well) which makes it very cost-inefficient to use which only extends the game, which again, ruins the fun of the game and is a thing people hate.

"Kill them with a bow"
-If you're fighting campers and trying to kill them with a bow, you're probably on a skybridge since shooting from mid / another island is nearly impossible since the long range makes it a piece of cake to dodge the arrows (especially on maps like Aztec, see picture above), plus the fact that campers have shields, blocks, and bows too. Since you're on the skybridge you're in an incredible disadvantage since they only have to focus their aim on one point whilst you have to change it every time they walk somewhere else, which is something you can't do since you're on a skybridge, plus the fact that they have a gold and a diamond generator right at their disposal and can make arrows and bows continuously, whilst you eventually run out. Going back is sometimes also not an option since it would mean they hijacking the skybridge and destroying all the progress you just made.

"just report all of them"
-Most of the playerbase doesn't know how to report players so this isn't a good solution, plus the bans arrive way too late and are way too short and have a very low accept rate and are easy to appeal for, causing campers to not care about it and making it not worth it to report,, plus a large majority of campers say it's not punishable.

"Just buy a rank and vote for overpowered if you want enderpearls so badly"
-Not everyone of cubecraft will suddenly buy a rank, thus this is not a solution to camping, plus overpowered is entirely different form normal mode.

"Eggwars is supposed to be a strategy game"
Camping your island to infinity doesn't look very strategic to me and is only ruining the game.

"Just rush everyone"
-Not everyone can rush, problem not solved, and obviously, you can't rush everything every time.

Camping is ruining Eggwars to this day, you can't deny that. All the arguments you make make no sense. IMO, I see no reason not to add them already.
@Deeds_GG @HScrozzy @Jackelele @iCheeetah

Alright I'll start off with my opinion. Enderpearls are an overpowered weapon in general minecraft either way, nevermind PvP. It's a feature for the Overpowered, and not for normal, if it was on Normal as well as OP, there'll be no use for OP much more. You may say they're expensive, but after a few runs of mid and diamonds upgraded, it's not that hard to get a few amount of diamonds especially if it's teamed.

"Normal is meant to be harder than OP"
-It's not that hard for the campers, plus people don't like the campers, again, just compare this to bedwars.

Alright, I've gotten past campers so many times, it's not impossible. It just requires skill and knowledge, it's their "skill" to camp if they want to, you've just got to make your way to get to their island destroy their egg and kill them as well, It may be hard but it can be done.

"It changes the game too much / They just don't fit in normal EW"
-It's pretty expensive so it shouldn't make the game an entirely different gamemode, plus people don't like the current situation so change is necessary.

As stated above, it'll remove the "OP" aspect of enderpearls in overall PvP. It's just like Skywars, it needs to be laid out seperately from all gamemodes and set in it's original and suitable gamemode - OverPowered.

"Build a sneaky bridge"
-Not all campers are that stupid, they can look out of their eyeballs, plus on some maps it's impossible to build a "sneaky bridge"

It is still possible to create a well-confined bridge over to their island and destroy the egg. I've seen it before, and I've seen my own team do it too.

"build a safe / any other type of bridge"
-Campers have power bows too, they can still break your armor, punch you back for infinity, try to capture your bridge and grief it (blow it up) etc., plus it's extremely time consuming to do this on maps like Aztec (see picture I used above) and it's just ruining the fun of the game.

This has nothing to do with enderpearls, this can be done in any, it just requires your skill to make it over to their island without being shot off or killed - you can also bring extra armour.

"Just use a shield"
-Try that in the picture I used above. Thing is, they can still spam arrows at your shield and break it, it takes a tremendous amount of time to build a safebridge this way which is again ruining the fun of the game, plus shields are incredibly expensive compared to bows and arrows (something that needs to change as well) which makes it very cost-inefficient to use which only extends the game, which again, ruins the fun of the game and is a thing people hate.

As said above, everything is possible with skill and knowledge, I do agree that using a shield in this instance would be hard. But it is possible.

"Kill them with a bow"
-If you're fighting campers and trying to kill them with a bow, you're probably on a skybridge since shooting from mid / another island is nearly impossible since the long range makes it a piece of cake to dodge the arrows (especially on maps like Aztec, see picture above), plus the fact that campers have shields, blocks, and bows too. Since you're on the skybridge you're in an incredible disadvantage since they only have to focus their aim on one point whilst you have to change it every time they walk somewhere else, which is something you can't do since you're on a skybridge, plus the fact that they have a gold and a diamond generator right at their disposal and can make arrows and bows continuously, whilst you eventually run out. Going back is sometimes also not an option since it would mean they hijacking the skybridge and destroying all the progress you just made.

I'm unsure about this one, it depends on their skill and defence - if it isn't good, you make be lucky enough to knock them off - but in most circumstances that's rare (Don't use a bow? ;))

"just report all of them"
-Most of the playerbase doesn't know how to report players so this isn't a good solution, plus the bans arrive way too late and are way too short and have a very low accept rate and are easy to appeal for, causing campers to not care about it and making it not worth it to report,, plus a large majority of campers say it's not punishable.

Alright, reporting them is quite known actually, I've seen a variety of people talking about reporting. Whether the punishment is minimum at least they are still being punished for their wrong and will be added to their record. If they say it's not punishable, then it's just their fault.

"Just buy a rank and vote for overpowered if you want enderpearls so badly"
-Not everyone of cubecraft will suddenly buy a rank, thus this is not a solution to camping, plus overpowered is entirely different form normal mode.

Exactly, overpowered is entirely different from normal mode, adding enderpearls to normal mode will not make it much "normal" anymore, it's just have a spit of overpowered into it.

"Eggwars is supposed to be a strategy game"
Camping your island to infinity doesn't look very strategic to me and is only ruining the game.

I'll agree that camping isn't very strategic at all, and could be ruining the game a little. However, it's their strategy to camp their egg and protect it - the aim of the game. Now you just have to use your strategy to get to their island destroy their egg and kill them. What's more important, killing them or destroying the egg?

"Just rush everyone"
-Not everyone can rush, problem not solved, and obviously, you can't rush everything every time.

I totally agree with this, but if you have a team of friends, you usally have a plan some sort of way - well we always do anyway @Wintrie

Camping is ruining Eggwars to this day, you can't deny that. All the arguments you make make no sense. IMO, I see no reason not to add them already.

Okay, I take everything you've said into consideration. I completely agree that camping is bad. The arguments we make do make sense - it's our opinion either way at the end of the day. Enderpearls are stated as an "OP" item in minecraft, hence why it's in the overpowered section of eggwars - I see no reason to add them, after a good amount of minutes the whole team could have enderpearls. I believe majority of people would dislike the enderpearls being added. You may say I'm wrong altogether, but at everyone has a right to give their opinion, just as I am stating mine. I appreicate your determination and courage for your points. However, allow people to give their opions without saying it makes no sense as for it's an open suggestion. I can see some of your points clear and correct what you are saying, but I am sort of sticking to my point, it just doesn't work or would seem right to have an 'OP' item in normal from and 'OP' gamemode.

Let's remember that if you want enderpearls, you can vote for OP. I see Normal as a gamemode to be able to chill - create strats and organize your team to destroy others and their eggs. I've never seem to find a problem with campers myself, myself and other people I team with have always found a way to destroy their egg when getting to their island with both bridge and defence. This is exactly what I stated before too, use your own skills and knowledge to organise your team to use their skill to get to the island and destroy the egg.

Overall, I'm leaving my opinion as it stands. Thanks for your opinion and reply,

Regards,
Jackelele xo