I don't really agree with that quote, but I still think that this strat should be dealt with to stop the win farming.
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Fgeto has something like 4,000+ wins. If hardcore is removed, then players won't be able to gain wins using his previous method in order to catch up. They'll still be behind substantially, and I don't think that this is good for the future of the game. If you ask me, it's hard to be competitively interested in Tower Defence right now. Most players that knew how to play either left when the 2017 update happened or stuck around to farm wins. Even if you can ignore the win gap, players still have to deal with the fact that during most games, at least one player on their team will misplace towers. I don't think that any new players will be able to develop a passion about Tower Defence as it is. I think that real renovations are necessary for a genuine increase of popularity, but I'll stay focused on the matters at hand for now.
I see your points entirely about this, something should be done about it I'll not lie, however I am using this to get wins at the moment, and according to @Cynamooo this isn't win farming as, they said win farming is using alts to fill lobbies and beating them for easy wins, it is just using a element of the game that needs to be balanced to your own advantage as the majority of players including yourself are unsure how to defend against it. Which leads me to what Kloska said...
Using the level 4 poison, top path at the start of the mob route works well, accompany this with an ice tower at the start, and maybe some throughout the route (however this is not necessary), near your castle placing 2 level 4 artillery towers or 3 level 3 artillery towers will kill the pigmen easily. If they are then sent with witches, inferno AOE the witches like done in normal game-mode to kill the witches quickly and then the pigmen will die again. This would not work with level 5 pigmen with level 5 witches however most teams would usually switch to blazes or cave spiders if the initial pigmen rush did not work. If there is any other concerns you have about this rush I'd be willing to try and help with them as I know how to do this as well as defend it.
Furthermore, the hardcore game-mode does need to be redone, however so does most things in TD, for example pigmen only have the use which is stated above of the hardcore rush. However in normal it is easy to rush with level 4 skeletons and these are even harder to defend against than pigmen. I do not believe hardcore should be removed, but I do believe it should be changed, I like the idea that you can only send 5 mobs at the start and the castle guards are now in at the start. However the slow tower building doesn't need to be changed it is meant to make the game harder and if you didn't not prepare for certain mobs then players will use this against you, this is what makes hardcore fun, you need to work as a team and prepare for all types of mobs before it is too late. However working is a team helps in hardcore and this is hard to do when you have new players on your team, which is why I believe the ranking system stated above in @ymbmg 's post would be a good idea, or just add a feature which doesn't allow teammates to build off the 3x3 grid or place 5x5 towers on 3x3 spots as this is extremely infuriating for experienced players, or also make players watch the tutorial before playing a game this may possibly work and include a feature already in the game.
I could keep going on the issue of TD as the amount of problems are building up continuously due to lack of interest (seemingly) by developers and other staff.
Thank you for your time for reading this if you have any other problems message me on discord (found in my signature) or just message me via the website and I'll respond as soon as possible. - Sincerely, Shyry123
I used to say that I farm wins on games when I was just tryharding and wanted more and more wins and tried to find fast ways to get it but I later notice that it's better to just enjoy the game and you don't get anything out from "farming".
It annoy me that TD have changed so much, they added new modes, new options for the income and new options for armageddon. That's things that didn't had to be added since the old TD was actually pretty good. I still don't think they should go back but a hardcore mode shouldn't be a option since this just make players mad and ranked players will get on the leaderboard without deserving it.
At least we have found something we both agree on. I think they should keep the hardcore mode, but maybe also add something like a classical mode. I previously stated why I like hardcore mode so I'll not go into that again.
I do believe most of the changes are okay I don't mind the new armageddon modes, however Horde should be changed for hardcore mode as it is practically impossible to defend and it is whoever speeds/freezes the opponents horde usually wins. Most of the players on the leaderboard got on there without using this rush technique however it does let them maintain their place on it, I'm aware everyone on the wins leaderboard has used this strategy at least once, as I've been in games with them all where it has been done, sadly Vossie doesn't play any more and that spot will likely be taken by someone who uses this technique or a similar one. However with these techniques around I do not see why players wouldn't use them as people, including myself, would rather end the game quicker and get the same income as if I were to spend an additional 10-20mins in the game, and the only benefit from this is the extra summons you get which is only useful if you are going for the summoners leaderboard.
Like I just said I do not see the point in playing a long game for the same outcome, it is not beneficial.
The majority of my wins aren't from this technique anyway I only started playing vanilla and cube like a month ago because I played modded for around 5-6 months I've got 1090 wins or so as if typing this, and I just said most aren't from this technique
When? and yes some of mine are but not most. I got most before I came back to vanilla
Also this becoming more of an argument and less relevant to the issues with TD so I'm not going to reply from here onwards, message me in a conversation or on discord if you would like to carry this on.
People don't enjoy the game at all now and you get nothing from farming wins like this. The leaderboard is not even worth it just by keep doing this since you ruin the game for other people, it's pretty selfish to even play like this,
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I'm in favor of removing hardcore mode. It's not like the community wanted it in the first place and I also think that another mob would just take its place as Quetzi said. However, the players who have farmed wins have already moved up the leader-boards quite substantially. Even if hardcore is removed, I don't feel like new players could ever truly catch up at this point. Regardless of whether players can catch up or not, the game should at least be fun for players again. That said, I think that Tower Defence's community doesn't have a chance to grow competitively if players don't feel like they can get on the leader-boards. Despite my position and stats, I wouldn't mind seeing them rolled back for the sake of the community's future. Feel free to discuss whether you agree with me or not. Either way, hardcore mode should probably be removed.
Well, at least it's not like on lucky islands, duels, skywars, sg or similar when people got over 5k wins so people would probably be able to catch up if they wanted to.
Fgeto has something like 4,000+ wins. If hardcore is removed, then players won't be able to gain wins using his previous method in order to catch up. They'll still be behind substantially, and I don't think that this is good for the future of the game. If you ask me, it's hard to be competitively interested in Tower Defence right now. Most players that knew how to play either left when the 2017 update happened or stuck around to farm wins. Even if you can ignore the win gap, players still have to deal with the fact that during most games, at least one player on their team will misplace towers. I don't think that any new players will be able to develop a passion about Tower Defence as it is. I think that real renovations are necessary for a genuine increase of popularity, but I'll stay focused on the matters at hand for now.
I got around 400 wins, I almost never play TD but it took me just a few days to get around 100 wins and that was just fair playing, I think if someone really wanted to, they could catch up but it's hard to keep going it you notice how the leaderboard players keep getting wins so fast.
I see your points entirely about this, something should be done about it I'll not lie, however I am using this to get wins at the moment, and according to @Cynamooo this isn't win farming as, they said win farming is using alts to fill lobbies and beating them for easy wins, it is just using a element of the game that needs to be balanced to your own advantage as the majority of players including yourself are unsure how to defend against it. Which leads me to what Kloska said...
Using the level 4 poison, top path at the start of the mob route works well, accompany this with an ice tower at the start, and maybe some throughout the route (however this is not necessary), near your castle placing 2 level 4 artillery towers or 3 level 3 artillery towers will kill the pigmen easily. If they are then sent with witches, inferno AOE the witches like done in normal game-mode to kill the witches quickly and then the pigmen will die again. This would not work with level 5 pigmen with level 5 witches however most teams would usually switch to blazes or cave spiders if the initial pigmen rush did not work. If there is any other concerns you have about this rush I'd be willing to try and help with them as I know how to do this as well as defend it.
Furthermore, the hardcore game-mode does need to be redone, however so does most things in TD, for example pigmen only have the use which is stated above of the hardcore rush. However in normal it is easy to rush with level 4 skeletons and these are even harder to defend against than pigmen. I do not believe hardcore should be removed, but I do believe it should be changed, I like the idea that you can only send 5 mobs at the start and the castle guards are now in at the start. However the slow tower building doesn't need to be changed it is meant to make the game harder and if you didn't not prepare for certain mobs then players will use this against you, this is what makes hardcore fun, you need to work as a team and prepare for all types of mobs before it is too late. However working is a team helps in hardcore and this is hard to do when you have new players on your team, which is why I believe the ranking system stated above in @ymbmg 's post would be a good idea, or just add a feature which doesn't allow teammates to build off the 3x3 grid or place 5x5 towers on 3x3 spots as this is extremely infuriating for experienced players, or also make players watch the tutorial before playing a game this may possibly work and include a feature already in the game.
I could keep going on the issue of TD as the amount of problems are building up continuously due to lack of interest (seemingly) by developers and other staff.
Thank you for your time for reading this if you have any other problems message me on discord (found in my signature) or just message me via the website and I'll respond as soon as possible. - Sincerely, Shyry123
Well, it's a way to get fast wins which I would count as farming even if you can't get punished for it.
I used to say that I farm wins on games when I was just tryharding and wanted more and more wins and tried to find fast ways to get it but I later notice that it's better to just enjoy the game and you don't get anything out from "farming".
It annoy me that TD have changed so much, they added new modes, new options for the income and new options for armageddon. That's things that didn't had to be added since the old TD was actually pretty good. I still don't think they should go back but a hardcore mode shouldn't be a option since this just make players mad and ranked players will get on the leaderboard without deserving it.
At least we have found something we both agree on. I think they should keep the hardcore mode, but maybe also add something like a classical mode. I previously stated why I like hardcore mode so I'll not go into that again.
I do believe most of the changes are okay I don't mind the new armageddon modes, however Horde should be changed for hardcore mode as it is practically impossible to defend and it is whoever speeds/freezes the opponents horde usually wins. Most of the players on the leaderboard got on there without using this rush technique however it does let them maintain their place on it, I'm aware everyone on the wins leaderboard has used this strategy at least once, as I've been in games with them all where it has been done, sadly Vossie doesn't play any more and that spot will likely be taken by someone who uses this technique or a similar one. However with these techniques around I do not see why players wouldn't use them as people, including myself, would rather end the game quicker and get the same income as if I were to spend an additional 10-20mins in the game, and the only benefit from this is the extra summons you get which is only useful if you are going for the summoners leaderboard.
If you agree with this being bad, why do you keep using it them? Play fair instead.
Like I just said I do not see the point in playing a long game for the same outcome, it is not beneficial.
It's still not fair for people without rank who can't even vote. And if you get on the leaderboard, you don't deserve it at all.
The majority of my wins aren't from this technique anyway I only started playing vanilla and cube like a month ago because I played modded for around 5-6 months I've got 1090 wins or so as if typing this, and I just said most aren't from this technique
You said that most of your wins are from you being afk in parties with people who use this or other rush techniques.
When? and yes some of mine are but not most. I got most before I came back to vanilla
Also this becoming more of an argument and less relevant to the issues with TD so I'm not going to reply from here onwards, message me in a conversation or on discord if you would like to carry this on.
Fun how you just try to blame it on that, you just want to be able to keep farming, we all know that.
People don't enjoy the game at all now and you get nothing from farming wins like this. The leaderboard is not even worth it just by keep doing this since you ruin the game for other people, it's pretty selfish to even play like this,
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