More democracry

[Tacosbefriends]

make cubecraft more democratic

We're not going to do this. Here's why.

1. Efficiency
As staff manager here at CubeCraft, I make a lot of decisions. I need to decide on promotions, demotions, which staff gets put on which job, which policies to keep or change, how staff interact with players, and so on. If I wanted to consult the community every single time I had something to decide on, a week's worth of work would take half a year. We simply do not have time to waste on something like this.

2. Business Mind
This may come as a shock to you, but the majority of our playerbase are children. The most complicated business a child can run is a lemonade stand. CubeCraft is somewhat bigger and more complex than a lemonade stand. Of course we'd like to give the community what they want; more happy players means more success for our business. You have to consider, however, that the people who have made CubeCraft as successful as it is today probably know better than the people with no major experience running a Minecraft server of this size.

3. Privacy
Let's pretend I've accepted your idea and helper applications are now done by a community vote. Two well-known players -- let's call them Jorge and Belle -- are the two top votes for helper. Jorge's done a ton of reports and is on the leaderboard for Skywars and Lucky Islands. Belle's been around since 2013, several of her suggestions have been implemented, and she has the most likes on the entire forum. These are two players that clearly care a lot about the server. Jorge and Belle find out there's only one helper slot open, so naturally, like politics in real life, they campaign against each other. Jorge leaks a conversation where Belle says CubeCraft sucks, so Belle returns by digging up evidence of Jorge being banned two years ago. Jorge, not to be outdone, makes an expose document on Belle showing everyone that she actually applied to another large server, doesn't care about CubeCraft at all, and on top of that, blackmailed a current moderator to unban her three friends. Belle, reputation ruined, holds nothing back and shows the entire community that Jorge, aged 18, has a 14-year-old girlfriend who he has cheated on with two other girls. Jorge's and Belle's reputations and lives on the server have been completely and utterly torn apart. They cannot possibly return to the community without shame. We've opened these two up and showed hundreds of people their misdeeds. This is politics. Politics is dirty.

You're probably thinking this is a completely insane scenario, but we discover things like this about our players ALL THE TIME. In order to make things like this public and democratic, we would have to expose the misdeeds of every single applicant to the entire network, and not a single person is without sin. I have absolutely no interest in holding a mud-slinging competition every time we need a new staffer.

This is the same reason I refused to give out details of Marieke's ban. It's bad enough she's been removed from the network; she doesn't also need a thousand prying eyes judging her. She can tell her story however she wishes; that decision is hers entirely. I am not at liberty to publicly embarrass people for the foolish mistakes of their past.

4. Vocal Minority
At the time of writing, your post has 16 likes. Impressive! Clearly people are rallying behind your idea and it seems to be a popular one. However, this doesn't reflect the thousands and thousands of people playing on the server. Go into any lobby and ask a random player what they think of server politics and they'll likely have no opinions whatsoever; they just want to play some Eggwars. You want democracy, but the majority of players just do not care. If we were to make it democratic, UberNoober94's vote would count just as much as yours, and the random players will outnumber you in droves. Do you really trust the random Steve skin guy in the lobby asking how to play Skywars to run the server?

 

[Lightning McQueen]

We're not going to do this. Here's why.

1. Efficiency
As staff manager here at CubeCraft, I make a lot of decisions. I need to decide on promotions, demotions, which staff gets put on which job, which policies to keep or change, how staff interact with players, and so on. If I wanted to consult the community every single time I had something to decide on, a week's worth of work would take half a year. We simply do not have time to waste on something like this.

2. Business Mind
This may come as a shock to you, but the majority of our playerbase are children. The most complicated business a child can run is a lemonade stand. CubeCraft is somewhat bigger and more complex than a lemonade stand. Of course we'd like to give the community what they want; more happy players means more success for our business. You have to consider, however, that the people who have made CubeCraft as successful as it is today probably know better than the people with no major experience running a Minecraft server of this size.

3. Privacy
Let's pretend I've accepted your idea and helper applications are now done by a community vote. Two well-known players -- let's call them Jorge and Belle -- are the two top votes for helper. Jorge's done a ton of reports and is on the leaderboard for Skywars and Lucky Islands. Belle's been around since 2013, several of her suggestions have been implemented, and she has the most likes on the entire forum. These are two players that clearly care a lot about the server. Jorge and Belle find out there's only one helper slot open, so naturally, like politics in real life, they campaign against each other. Jorge leaks a conversation where Belle says CubeCraft sucks, so Belle returns by digging up evidence of Jorge being banned two years ago. Jorge, not to be outdone, makes an expose document on Belle showing everyone that she actually applied to another large server, doesn't care about CubeCraft at all, and on top of that, blackmailed a current moderator to unban her three friends. Belle, reputation ruined, holds nothing back and shows the entire community that Jorge, aged 18, has a 14-year-old girlfriend who he has cheated on with two other girls. Jorge's and Belle's reputations and lives on the server have been completely and utterly torn apart. They cannot possibly return to the community without shame. We've opened these two up and showed hundreds of people their misdeeds. This is politics. Politics is dirty.

You're probably thinking this is a completely insane scenario, but we discover things like this about our players ALL THE TIME. In order to make things like this public and democratic, we would have to expose the misdeeds of every single applicant to the entire network, and not a single person is without sin. I have absolutely no interest in holding a mud-slinging competition every time we need a new staffer.

This is the same reason I refused to give out details of Marieke's ban. It's bad enough she's been removed from the network; she doesn't also need a thousand prying eyes judging her. She can tell her story however she wishes; that decision is hers entirely. I am not at liberty to publicly embarrass people for the foolish mistakes of their past.

4. Vocal Minority
At the time of writing, your post has 16 likes. Impressive! Clearly people are rallying behind your idea and it seems to be a popular one. However, this doesn't reflect the thousands and thousands of people playing on the server. Go into any lobby and ask a random player what they think of server politics and they'll likely have no opinions whatsoever; they just want to play some Eggwars. You want democracy, but the majority of players just do not care. If we were to make it democratic, UberNoober94's vote would count just as much as yours, and the random players will outnumber you in droves. Do you really trust the random Steve skin guy in the lobby asking how to play Skywars to run the server?

:thinking: is that the minerware incident thing? Someone shared their appeal through a screenshot thread a month or two ago. Seems kind of specific (para3)

 

[Tacosbefriends]

:thinking: is that the minerware incident thing?

The events described here are fictional. It's just an example.

 

[Komodо]

We're not going to do this. Here's why.

1. Efficiency
As staff manager here at CubeCraft, I make a lot of decisions. I need to decide on promotions, demotions, which staff gets put on which job, which policies to keep or change, how staff interact with players, and so on. If I wanted to consult the community every single time I had something to decide on, a week's worth of work would take half a year. We simply do not have time to waste on something like this.

2. Business Mind
This may come as a shock to you, but the majority of our playerbase are children. The most complicated business a child can run is a lemonade stand. CubeCraft is somewhat bigger and more complex than a lemonade stand. Of course we'd like to give the community what they want; more happy players means more success for our business. You have to consider, however, that the people who have made CubeCraft as successful as it is today probably know better than the people with no major experience running a Minecraft server of this size.

3. Privacy
Let's pretend I've accepted your idea and helper applications are now done by a community vote. Two well-known players -- let's call them Jorge and Belle -- are the two top votes for helper. Jorge's done a ton of reports and is on the leaderboard for Skywars and Lucky Islands. Belle's been around since 2013, several of her suggestions have been implemented, and she has the most likes on the entire forum. These are two players that clearly care a lot about the server. Jorge and Belle find out there's only one helper slot open, so naturally, like politics in real life, they campaign against each other. Jorge leaks a conversation where Belle says CubeCraft sucks, so Belle returns by digging up evidence of Jorge being banned two years ago. Jorge, not to be outdone, makes an expose document on Belle showing everyone that she actually applied to another large server, doesn't care about CubeCraft at all, and on top of that, blackmailed a current moderator to unban her three friends. Belle, reputation ruined, holds nothing back and shows the entire community that Jorge, aged 18, has a 14-year-old girlfriend who he has cheated on with two other girls. Jorge's and Belle's reputations and lives on the server have been completely and utterly torn apart. They cannot possibly return to the community without shame. We've opened these two up and showed hundreds of people their misdeeds. This is politics. Politics is dirty.

You're probably thinking this is a completely insane scenario, but we discover things like this about our players ALL THE TIME. In order to make things like this public and democratic, we would have to expose the misdeeds of every single applicant to the entire network, and not a single person is without sin. I have absolutely no interest in holding a mud-slinging competition every time we need a new staffer.

This is the same reason I refused to give out details of Marieke's ban. It's bad enough she's been removed from the network; she doesn't also need a thousand prying eyes judging her. She can tell her story however she wishes; that decision is hers entirely. I am not at liberty to publicly embarrass people for the foolish mistakes of their past.

4. Vocal Minority
At the time of writing, your post has 16 likes. Impressive! Clearly people are rallying behind your idea and it seems to be a popular one. However, this doesn't reflect the thousands and thousands of people playing on the server. Go into any lobby and ask a random player what they think of server politics and they'll likely have no opinions whatsoever; they just want to play some Eggwars. You want democracy, but the majority of players just do not care. If we were to make it democratic, UberNoober94's vote would count just as much as yours, and the random players will outnumber you in droves. Do you really trust the random Steve skin guy in the lobby asking how to play Skywars to run the server?

I have to agree. Simply because I can't come up with any better arguments. However, that doesn't mean I agree. Business and privacy stuff isn't my cup of tea. Democracy is indeed a big word. However, I said more democratic. And with more democratic I meant to give us the feeling that it is democratic. The old Athens were in fact still a aristocracy. However, they persuased their people to think it was a democracy. Maybe the staff should do the same. Just like referendums. Ofcourse it's still a business and your opinion counts. However, that doesn't mean that ours are useless. Maybe UberNoober94 hasn't the best ideas on how to run a Skywars server. But maybe he can fix a Hide and Seek plug-in that actually works (hint hint). And about Marieke2001. Ofc you don't get banned for nothing. However, you should at least try to make it look like it was fair. Because without any explaination it just seems like unjustified and if there's something I hate then it's unfairness.

 

[BringMeTheHorizon ♠]

At least, when that person gets kicked, they have visual proof that he did whatever he did to deserve him being kicked. ;)

Like quetzi said in a different thread. Democracy is not something for businesses. If I went to Applebee's and I started to jump up and down on the tables I would probably get kicked out.

 

[iLoveYouu]

1. Efficiency
As staff manager here at CubeCraft, I make a lot of decisions. I need to decide on promotions, demotions, which staff gets put on which job, which policies to keep or change, how staff interact with players, and so on. If I wanted to consult the community every single time I had something to decide on, a week's worth of work would take half a year. We simply do not have time to waste on something like this.

Hence why most of your decisions during my time as staff took weeks if not months?

2. Business Mind
This may come as a shock to you, but the majority of our playerbase are children. The most complicated business a child can run is a lemonade stand. CubeCraft is somewhat bigger and more complex than a lemonade stand. Of course we'd like to give the community what they want; more happy players means more success for our business. You have to consider, however, that the people who have made CubeCraft as successful as it is today probably know better than the people with no major experience running a Minecraft server of this size.

The helper applications are open to 13+ year olds, a big part of the staff members running this server are young kids and even the management team consists of very young adults.

3. Privacy
Let's pretend I've accepted your idea and helper applications are now done by a community vote. Two well-known players -- let's call them Jorge and Belle -- are the two top votes for helper. Jorge's done a ton of reports and is on the leaderboard for Skywars and Lucky Islands. Belle's been around since 2013, several of her suggestions have been implemented, and she has the most likes on the entire forum. These are two players that clearly care a lot about the server. Jorge and Belle find out there's only one helper slot open, so naturally, like politics in real life, they campaign against each other. Jorge leaks a conversation where Belle says CubeCraft sucks, so Belle returns by digging up evidence of Jorge being banned two years ago. Jorge, not to be outdone, makes an expose document on Belle showing everyone that she actually applied to another large server, doesn't care about CubeCraft at all, and on top of that, blackmailed a current moderator to unban her three friends. Belle, reputation ruined, holds nothing back and shows the entire community that Jorge, aged 18, has a 14-year-old girlfriend who he has cheated on with two other girls. Jorge's and Belle's reputations and lives on the server have been completely and utterly torn apart. They cannot possibly return to the community without shame. We've opened these two up and showed hundreds of people their misdeeds. This is politics. Politics is dirty.

You're probably thinking this is a completely insane scenario, but we discover things like this about our players ALL THE TIME. In order to make things like this public and democratic, we would have to expose the misdeeds of every single applicant to the entire network, and not a single person is without sin. I have absolutely no interest in holding a mud-slinging competition every time we need a new staffer.

This is the same reason I refused to give out details of Marieke's ban. It's bad enough she's been removed from the network; she doesn't also need a thousand prying eyes judging her. She can tell her story however she wishes; that decision is hers entirely. I am not at liberty to publicly embarrass people for the foolish mistakes of their past.

I agree that it's not good to do stuff like this, but I feel like you guys from CubeCraft are completely missing the point of what the players actually want. Do you really think we want to decide for you guys on every little thing? We just want to be more updated and have more of a say in what happens, release some developer blogs or whatever dude, nobody cares about picking between two players for helper really (afaik). Also nice story you came up with. And this is not politicis, this is a minecraft server.

4. Vocal Minority
At the time of writing, your post has 16 likes. Impressive! Clearly people are rallying behind your idea and it seems to be a popular one. However, this doesn't reflect the thousands and thousands of people playing on the server. Go into any lobby and ask a random player what they think of server politics and they'll likely have no opinions whatsoever; they just want to play some Eggwars. You want democracy, but the majority of players just do not care. If we were to make it democratic, UberNoober94's vote would count just as much as yours, and the random players will outnumber you in droves. Do you really trust the random Steve skin guy in the lobby asking how to play Skywars to run the server?

Of course, but it's not like you guys can't involve the community more with things and still make proper decisions, it's not like you have to implement every little thing everyone says.

 

[Tacosbefriends]

Hence why most of your decisions during my time as staff took weeks if not months?

Can you be more specific?

The helper applications are open to 13+ year olds, a big part of the staff members running this server are young kids and even the management team consists of very young adults.

You're confusing the moderation team with management. The moderation team literally just bans bad people and helps players. That is their job. Teenagers can comprehend this easily. The suggestion was to make CubeCraft more democratic, which means taking power away from the business-savvy adults and giving it to the not-so-knowledgeable teenagers. If anything, this just strengthens my argument of why power should be limited to the adults that are management.

We just want to be more updated and have more of a say in what happens, release some developer blogs or whatever dude, nobody cares about picking between two players for helper really (afaik)

Since the suggestion was so vague, I assumed OP meant he wanted every aspect of the server to be more democratic. I agree that being more open about what we're making would be really cool.

this is not politicis, this is a minecraft server.

The suggestion was to make the server more democratic. Democracy is a political concept. You cannot have democracy without politics.

Of course, but it's not like you guys can't involve the community more with things and still make proper decisions

We do have a suggestions section for a reason. Again, please bear in mind that I am the staff manager and my response is focusing mostly on the staff management aspect of the server. If you want business, creative, etc. aspects to be answered, I recommend waiting for the rest of management to weigh in.

 

[OnePointEight.exe]

Hence why most of your decisions during my time as staff took weeks if not months?

This would only mean it would take even longer. Do you want more to happen or slightly better things to happen?

The helper applications are open to 13+ year olds, a big part of the staff members running this server are young kids and even the management team consists of very young adults.

Helpers are only put in place to moderate players behaviors and punish them. There is no such authoritative power of a helper, it doesn't entirely matter how old they are.
As for the management team, do you really think any 50 year olds are going to want to work on a Minecraft server?

this is not politic, this is a minecraft server.

More Democracy

this is not politic, this is a minecraft server.

More Democracy

Read it again but slowly...

Of course, but it's not like you guys can't involve the community more with things and still make proper decisions, it's not like you have to implement every little thing everyone says.

Well they can't add everything and most things are controversial, what do they add? They can't just use a bot to select things, it will take too long looking through suggestions.

 

[iLoveYouu]

Can you be more specific?

The new punishments and rules thread etc. Yes of course you were waiting for others and the punishments etc. were decided by staff members together, but you didn't really manage it too well in my opinion.

You're confusing the moderation team with management. The moderation team literally just bans bad people and helps players. That is their job. Teenagers can comprehend this easily. The suggestion was to make CubeCraft more democratic, which means taking power away from the business-savvy adults and giving it to the not-so-knowledgeable teenagers. If anything, this just strengthens my argument of why power should be limited to the adults that are management.

Considering your whole post was basically about managing staff I thought I'd include both teams.

Since the suggestion was so vague, I assumed OP meant he wanted every aspect of the server to be more democratic. I agree that being more open about what we're making would be really cool.

The suggestion was to make the server more democratic. Democracy is a political concept. You cannot have democracy without politics.

I think Komodo just used a bit of a meme by just using the word democracy, I'm sure he doesn't actually mean a proper democratic system, but just some more influence from players and a better connection between both parties. If you hadn't noticed, 99% of Komodo's posts are basically written in joke format.

We do have a suggestions section for a reason. Again, please bear in mind that I am the staff manager and my response is focusing mostly on the staff management aspect of the server. If you want business, creative, etc. aspects to be answered, I recommend waiting for the rest of management to weigh in.

This post is in the suggestion section, and it's not like you can't forward things to the management team.

This would only mean it would take even longer. Do you want more to happen or slightly better things to happen?

Helpers are only put in place to moderate players behaviors and punish them. There is no such authoritative power of a helper, it doesn't entirely matter how old they are.
As for the management team, do you really think any 50 year olds are going to want to work on a Minecraft server?




Read it again but slowly...

Well they can't add everything and most things are controversial, what do they add? They can't just use a bot to select things, it will take too long looking through suggestions.

Someone wants to become helper xdddd

This would only mean it would take even longer. Do you want more to happen or slightly better things to happen?

Did I say that? I was just referring to Tacos already taking really long on his own, which can be seen as an agreement with what Tacos said.

As for the management team, do you really think any 50 year olds are going to want to work on a Minecraft server?

@Quetzi

More Democracy

Read it again but slowly...

He used a political term, doesn't mean it instantly makes selecting helpers politics.

Well they can't add everything and most things are controversial, what do they add? They can't just use a bot to select things, it will take too long looking through suggestions.

Bruh, they barely do anything, they could do so much more or even hire so many more people to do it for them.

 

[Deleted member 169486]

We don't do public shaming. Although the used evidence is circulating because Marieke has been spreading it herself, it's just normal that we don't make an announcement as to why a staff member is being demoted-- that has never been done before.

You've also never had backlash as big as this. Had one of the many management members given us some solid proof against her then this wouldn't happen, but that evidence doesn't exist.

 

[Commissioned]

business-savvy adults and giving it to the not-so-knowledgeable teenagers

ageism

 

[Deleted member 169486]

1. Efficiency
As staff manager here at CubeCraft, I make a lot of decisions. I need to decide on promotions, demotions, which staff gets put on which job, which policies to keep or change, how staff interact with players, and so on. If I wanted to consult the community every single time I had something to decide on, a week's worth of work would take half a year. We simply do not have time to waste on something like this

Have more then one person? You are in charge of everything staff wise. You do something that isn't the best, no one can change it. You're corrupt, no one can do anything. You have a bad day and false ban someone leading a public outcry and ignorant management? Guess what, nothing!. One person running a staff team doesn't work.

2. Business Mind
This may come as a shock to you, but the majority of our playerbase are children. The most complicated business a child can run is a lemonade stand. CubeCraft is somewhat bigger and more complex than a lemonade stand. Of course we'd like to give the community what they want; more happy players means more success for our business. You have to consider, however, that the people who have made CubeCraft as successful as it is today probably know better than the people with no major experience running a Minecraft server of this size.

I think anyone can understand that what happened with Marieke doesn't give a good public image. People join and the first thing they see is thread upon thread about a well liked moderator being banned with no connection between management and players probably won't stay that long.

3. Privacy
Let's pretend I've accepted your idea and helper applications are now done by a community vote. Two well-known players -- let's call them Jorge and Belle -- are the two top votes for helper. Jorge's done a ton of reports and is on the leaderboard for Skywars and Lucky Islands. Belle's been around since 2013, several of her suggestions have been implemented, and she has the most likes on the entire forum. These are two players that clearly care a lot about the server. Jorge and Belle find out there's only one helper slot open, so naturally, like politics in real life, they campaign against each other. Jorge leaks a conversation where Belle says CubeCraft sucks, so Belle returns by digging up evidence of Jorge being banned two years ago. Jorge, not to be outdone, makes an expose document on Belle showing everyone that she actually applied to another large server, doesn't care about CubeCraft at all, and on top of that, blackmailed a current moderator to unban her three friends. Belle, reputation ruined, holds nothing back and shows the entire community that Jorge, aged 18, has a 14-year-old girlfriend who he has cheated on with two other girls. Jorge's and Belle's reputations and lives on the server have been completely and utterly torn apart. They cannot possibly return to the community without shame. We've opened these two up and showed hundreds of people their misdeeds. This is politics. Politics is dirty.

Not a complete public decision on it, but some public input would be nice. With just you making the decisions lots of things can get missed until after being promoted. It would also be a opportunity for opinions on members that would be much harder to find looking through 100+ threads to find what people think of them.

4. Vocal Minority
At the time of writing, your post has 16 likes. Impressive! Clearly people are rallying behind your idea and it seems to be a popular one. However, this doesn't reflect the thousands and thousands of people playing on the server. Go into any lobby and ask a random player what they think of server politics and they'll likely have no opinions whatsoever; they just want to play some Eggwars. You want democracy, but the majority of players just do not care. If we were to make it democratic, UberNoober94's vote would count just as much as yours, and the random players will outnumber you in droves. Do you really trust the random Steve skin guy in the lobby asking how to play Skywars to run the server?

Limit it to the forums. It would promote people joining the forums, and limit it to people who are more devoted to the server. And then limit it more to in depth feedback, like the suggestions. I'm going to assume a suggestion that goes in depth on a new game with kits, modes, a full run down of the game, some rules, and how to make it standout would be given more credit and thought from management then someone who says "I want a pve game with players fighting mobs".

The new punishments and rules thread etc. Yes of course you were waiting for others and the punishments etc. were decided by staff members together, but you didn't really manage it too well in my opinion.

Just a little personal experience from this, I received a warning for trolling, more "specifically telling people fake things", when I told someone in a game of skywars that they should step on a pressure plate to get an achievement, when it would really blow them up. Technically it does, giving them an achievement for getting blown up. At that time the only things listed for "trolling" were things that would make them close the game, which is unfair. He said he would change the rule to include the things I did, which is fine. It took about three weeks before he changed it, then he gave some half done sentence saying "false achievements is not allowed" when I had given him a paragraph or so to post.

Bruh, they barely do anything, they could do so much more or even hire so many more people to do it for them.

Camezonda is here to do that, yet I haven't really seen him do much. Suggestions are still handled pretty poorly with nothing really done to make it any better.

The suggestion was to make CubeCraft more democratic, which means taking power away from the business-savvy adults and giving it to the not-so-knowledgeable teenagers. If anything, this just strengthens my argument of why power should be limited to the adults that are management.

So far I think the "not-so-knowledgeable teenagers" are winning this Marieke argument because quite a few people are talking, post upon post about it, probably this thread, while management has just told us to stay out of it and banning people trying to make a difference, who just want evidence and answers.

 

[BlueMoon475]

So far I think the "not-so-knowledgeable teenagers" are winning this Marieke argument because quite a few people are talking, post upon post about it, probably this thread, while management has just told us to stay out of it and banning people trying to make a difference, who just want evidence and answers.

But I don't see how its anyone's business outside of the staff team? I mean what does it change really? What are you going to do once you get the evidence? What's done is done, and everyone should just let it go.

 

[Tacosbefriends]

Have more then one person? You are in charge of everything staff wise.

One person running a staff team doesn't work.

You're right, it doesn't. I have an entire team for helper recruitment. The entire staff team gets asked for their opinions before I hire anyone. I cannot change server rules without the approval of management. All of management oversees what I do. While I do lead the staff team, I don't have complete and ultimate power like you seem to think I do. I am far from alone.

With just you making the decisions

With all due respect, you really have no idea how things work. I recommend reading this: https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/how-does-recruitment-work.204189/

You're corrupt, no one can do anything.

Not exactly. John can fire me at literally any time. Fortunately, your accusations are completely grounded in misinformation, you have no proof of my corruption, and anyone can see through your entirely transparent agenda. I understand you're upset about your friend, but please don't derail threads to further your own conspiracy theories.

 

[Gainfullterror]

So far I think the "not-so-knowledgeable teenagers" are winning this Marieke argument because quite a few people are talking, post upon post about it, probably this thread, while management has just told us to stay out of it and banning people trying to make a difference, who just want evidence and answers.

Well, as a member, we get to say pretty much anything we want provided we don't break any of the rules. Whether the members are "winning an argument" isn't really decided by the members themselves, considering they don't have any real background info from both sides unlike the staff do. You're basing your opinion off of your side without really knowing what was going on on the staff's side of things, and the only one you can ask for proof is the one who's punished. And as you may or may not know, asking the punished member isn't really going to get you bias-free info all of the time, so it's not very reliable.

Sooo before you claim these people are winning an argument, make sure you know that there's more to it than just what's being said to the community. They've mentioned time and time again that they can't disclose all the information as it simply doesn't concern us. They know more about it than we do, just like the punished player knows more about it than you do. After all, it's a matter between the staff and the punished player. Nobody else.

 

[Deleted member 169486]

Not exactly John can fire me at literally any time. Fortunately, your accusations are completely grounded in misinformation, you have no proof of my corruption, and anyone can see through your entirely transparent agenda. I understand you're upset about your friend, but please don't derail threads to further your own conspiracy theories.

Oh honey no, that was an example. Good try.

 

[Injunction]

Here’s a short argument on why not

All staff members are aware that they will be banned for leaking information
I have seen a member mention Marieke2001 being in shock at the site
Which really just makes me roll my eyes
Marieke was on here for a long time
She saw what happened to other mods whom did the same


Now I can’t say from past experience whether it is elaborated further on what is considered leaking and what isn’t
There is a bit of leeway on hinting towards updates coming very soon I have noticed

However I usually see messages that are more perceived as jokes
The first example that comes to my mind when I say that is a screenshot I have seen on the cube discord of a staff member answering a person’s question on what island games were by saying they are games on islands

That is a bad example though I have others that I just can’t quite remember though I know I have seen it more than just then



and as @Tacosbefriends mentions, privacy is another key factor here
If they did this then it would very clearly show they hardly care about privacy

But if that were the case why not just let normal players view the change key on the CCG discord
It would show a lot of things like bans, subtle changes etc.

Players would go on nonstop about how they found out their friend was discord banned or mentioning any slight bit of info on anything

It would be Chaos


Which leads me to my final point
If you look at Sentinel and how it is being changed how it works
All that jazz
Most of that is unknown to us as normal players
Rightly so

Why would they tell us where Sentinel’s weaknesses are
However with no punishment in the way to discourage this sort of behaviour
People would surely go to far in depth on Sentinel basically ruining how the system works



stop trying to make this server so different
It isn’t a democratic server...


It is a communist one
*plays the communist anthem*

Okay back to seriousness
It really shouldn’t be changed

@WATER no WET. change MIND
Like I said earlier
This is way over-simplified
Marieke new the consequences of saying things that reveal to much

 

[RafaCP]

We're not going to do this. Here's why.

1. Efficiency
As staff manager here at CubeCraft, I make a lot of decisions. I need to decide on promotions, demotions, which staff gets put on which job, which policies to keep or change, how staff interact with players, and so on. If I wanted to consult the community every single time I had something to decide on, a week's worth of work would take half a year. We simply do not have time to waste on something like this.

2. Business Mind
This may come as a shock to you, but the majority of our playerbase are children. The most complicated business a child can run is a lemonade stand. CubeCraft is somewhat bigger and more complex than a lemonade stand. Of course we'd like to give the community what they want; more happy players means more success for our business. You have to consider, however, that the people who have made CubeCraft as successful as it is today probably know better than the people with no major experience running a Minecraft server of this size.

3. Privacy
Let's pretend I've accepted your idea and helper applications are now done by a community vote. Two well-known players -- let's call them Jorge and Belle -- are the two top votes for helper. Jorge's done a ton of reports and is on the leaderboard for Skywars and Lucky Islands. Belle's been around since 2013, several of her suggestions have been implemented, and she has the most likes on the entire forum. These are two players that clearly care a lot about the server. Jorge and Belle find out there's only one helper slot open, so naturally, like politics in real life, they campaign against each other. Jorge leaks a conversation where Belle says CubeCraft sucks, so Belle returns by digging up evidence of Jorge being banned two years ago. Jorge, not to be outdone, makes an expose document on Belle showing everyone that she actually applied to another large server, doesn't care about CubeCraft at all, and on top of that, blackmailed a current moderator to unban her three friends. Belle, reputation ruined, holds nothing back and shows the entire community that Jorge, aged 18, has a 14-year-old girlfriend who he has cheated on with two other girls. Jorge's and Belle's reputations and lives on the server have been completely and utterly torn apart. They cannot possibly return to the community without shame. We've opened these two up and showed hundreds of people their misdeeds. This is politics. Politics is dirty.

You're probably thinking this is a completely insane scenario, but we discover things like this about our players ALL THE TIME. In order to make things like this public and democratic, we would have to expose the misdeeds of every single applicant to the entire network, and not a single person is without sin. I have absolutely no interest in holding a mud-slinging competition every time we need a new staffer.

This is the same reason I refused to give out details of Marieke's ban. It's bad enough she's been removed from the network; she doesn't also need a thousand prying eyes judging her. She can tell her story however she wishes; that decision is hers entirely. I am not at liberty to publicly embarrass people for the foolish mistakes of their past.

4. Vocal Minority
At the time of writing, your post has 16 likes. Impressive! Clearly people are rallying behind your idea and it seems to be a popular one. However, this doesn't reflect the thousands and thousands of people playing on the server. Go into any lobby and ask a random player what they think of server politics and they'll likely have no opinions whatsoever; they just want to play some Eggwars. You want democracy, but the majority of players just do not care. If we were to make it democratic, UberNoober94's vote would count just as much as yours, and the random players will outnumber you in droves. Do you really trust the random Steve skin guy in the lobby asking how to play Skywars to run the server?

What I can say, from my little experience in the forum of this server, is the following: I think that the forum and especially this space "SUGGESTIONS" is open to meet the needs and requests of users, but nevertheless ... you can see my example
If it is a lack of demonocracy, but not in the issues of BUSINESS, I do not want to be part of the CUBEcraft BUSINESS, but as a user I want to be part of the implementation decisions. AS? Well, here's an example: https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/fly-while-you-are-waiting-that-the-game-starts.205961/
It can be seen that the majority of users agree with this publication, even a moderator (of the three who commented is the only one), but nevertheless my publication was not "Escalated". What I want to achieve is that in that kind of situation, if more democracy is needed.
I just could not believe that this publication, has not been "escalated", not only because it is mine, nor because it is a good idea or etc ..., simply because it has many good comments from common users, and I think The server is made for your entertainment.
Then you can see, many other publications, like mine, which have good comments but are not implemented.

 

[Deleted member 169486]

Marieke new the consequences of saying things that reveal to much

All she said was she might leak, she claims she never did, and cubecraft doesn't have evidence that she did.

 

[Injunction]

All she said was she might leak, she claims she never did, and cubecraft doesn't have evidence that she did.

However think about that
To say that and no what will happen if she did

Why would she joke about it

My point still applies