A little Eggwars problem

[CommunistCactus]

It's called campers. Yay.

Camping? What is that? (in case you live under a rock)
Basically separating your island from everything else and sit there for the rest of the game, and shooting anyone who tries to get close to you.

Why is this a problem? Well, it slows the game down, results in long and boring games, makes it uninteresting, 90% of the time you're on generators doing nothing, and it's annoying.
For the people who don't get why camping is a problem, I recommend you watch this:

(not my video)

Okay, camping is bad, then why does it occur?
Because it's apparently a better strategy for most players. There are more and better defensive weapons than offensive ones(especially with OP mode, but that's another story). Camping is easier than attacking a player, and some players on cubecraft just like to camp.

Solutions?
One options is speed-mode @Donald Trump .You could also try to sneak attack campers, but if they see you you're falling in the void within 3 seconds. You could also try to just brute-force them by building a safe-skybridge at build limit fully equipped with a shield, TNT, gapples to get down, etc. You get the point. Problem is, it takes pretty fornicating(lol sorry) long to do. To solve this, Cube could make camping more unappealing, by for instance making the generators on mid faster, or by buffing/adding more offensive gear. Examples could be: (half-broken) Elytras, (expensive or only late-game) Enderpreals, Pistons(flymachines)?, Levitation potions and invisibility potions. Around enderpreals and elytras is a lot of discussion, so these could maybe be options, maybe not. Maybe only after a certain amount of time?
Not sure about pistons, it would change a lot in Eggwars but nonetheless could work out great.

I think the best solution would be levitation and invisibility potions. With levitation you can fly to the enemy without building a huge bridge that takes ages to build, and with invisibility you can try to be sneaky and get there unseen. They are not too overpowered, because with levitation you are a huge target for bows and there also is a lot of fall damage coming for you when the effect stops, and invisibility makes you very vulnerable to any kind of damage. (because wearing armor+invis doesn't work)

What do you think?

 

[Despacito 2]

I got called a Nazi because I had build an ultra high tech skybridge with walls surrounding it to kill a camper.... I made a little box like shaped building to stay there for a moment and then I went on a full assault... Atleast I won...

 

[Zombiepower]

I have been called trump because i made a wall against bow spammers...

 

[CommunistCactus]

I have been called trump because i made a wall against bow spammers...

I pretended to be Trump:

 

[awesomebutter234]

It's called campers. Yay.

Camping? What is that? (in case you live under a rock)
Basically separating your island from everything else and sit there for the rest of the game, and shooting anyone who tries to get close to you.

Why is this a problem? Well, it slows the game down, results in long and boring games, makes it uninteresting, 90% of the time you're on generators doing nothing, and it's annoying.
For the people who don't get why camping is a problem, I recommend you watch this:

(not my video)

Okay, camping is bad, then why does it occur?
Because it's apparently a better strategy for most players. There are more and better defensive weapons than offensive ones(especially with OP mode, but that's another story). Camping is easier than attacking a player, and some players on cubecraft just like to camp.

Solutions?
One options is speed-mode @Donald Trump .You could also try to sneak attack campers, but if they see you you're falling in the void within 3 seconds. You could also try to just brute-force them by building a safe-skybridge at build limit fully equipped with a shield, TNT, gapples to get down, etc. You get the point. Problem is, it takes pretty fornicating(lol sorry) long to do. To solve this, Cube could make camping more unappealing, by for instance making the generators on mid faster, or by buffing/adding more offensive gear. Examples could be: (half-broken) Elytras, (expensive or only late-game) Enderpreals, Pistons(flymachines)?, Levitation potions and invisibility potions. Around enderpreals and elytras is a lot of discussion, so these could maybe be options, maybe not. Maybe only after a certain amount of time?
Not sure about pistons, it would change a lot in Eggwars but nonetheless could work out great.

I think the best solution would be levitation and invisibility potions. With levitation you can fly to the enemy without building a huge bridge that takes ages to build, and with invisibility you can try to be sneaky and get there unseen. They are not too overpowered, because with levitation you are a huge target for bows and there also is a lot of fall damage coming for you when the effect stops, and invisibility makes you very vulnerable to any kind of damage. (because wearing armor+invis doesn't work)

What do you think?

Main problem with levitation is how will the anti-cheat be able to know that it's not hacks? Also keep in mind if the invis is for any other mode than op that a surprise diamond sword(especially diamond axe) crit is very deadly, especially if you don't know where it came from or where the person went.

 

[Gainfullterror]

(half-broken) Elytras, (expensive or only late-game) Enderpreals, Pistons(flymachines)?, Levitation potions and invisibility potions.

We already know why Elytra's and Ender pearls won't be a thing, since they're too overpowered for eggwars itself.
Pistons for flying machines would be so touchy to add since you need to restrict the pistons and Slime blocks way too much.
Levitation is basically an Elytra but without the momentum and going upwards. I'd rather not see levitation as it can be a real nuisance. I'm sure I don't need to explain why since there's levitation arrows in OP skywars too.
Invis pots will be too overpowered since people can basically sneak up behind others and bow spam them OR sneak up on an egg with no effort. Sneaking up to an egg usually requires quite a bit of skill and caution.

 

[CommunistCactus]

We already know why Elytra's and Ender pearls won't be a thing, since they're too overpowered for eggwars itself.
Pistons for flying machines would be so touchy to add since you need to restrict the pistons and Slime blocks way too much.
Levitation is basically an Elytra but without the momentum and going upwards. I'd rather not see levitation as it can be a real nuisance. I'm sure I don't need to explain why since there's levitation arrows in OP skywars too.
Invis pots will be too overpowered since people can basically sneak up behind others and bow spam them OR sneak up on an egg with no effort. Sneaking up to an egg usually requires quite a bit of skill and caution.

So you prefer endless games like this:

Also I don't play skywars, and eggwars is an entire different gamemode. Also you can still see people with invis by when for instance when they sprint(ground particles), when they are hit by an arrow and of course the effect particles themselves.

 

[CommunistCactus]

@TheJeroen your opinion?

 

[TheJeroen]

Welp I do want something to be added to stop campers. I like the Levitation Potion idea a lot!

 

[Ping Ether]

Levity potion is really interesting, but I'm not sure about it's efficiency... I would LOVE to see Elytra though, but not just half durbility, that's already a lot. Maybe 1/12 of durability, just enough to get to an island?
Campers are really making the game less enjoyable and slow the game down more than hackers IMHO
Thing is, if they get diamonds first and then remove their island's bridge once on their base, they can pretty much keep getting infinite gear / arrows + prevent people from breaking their egg. It's really an unbeatable tactic if done correctly but it's also unfair and really game breaking.
Levitation potions give the ability to somewhat glide forward but nothing special, the vertical acceleration is way higher than the horizontal one and you'd get reported for fly hacking. With elytra though, a single use, low durability one, you could easily go to an island without getting reported, even being sneaky if enough dank elytra skisls are put into it, and would give the game a new side.

 

[CommunistCactus]

Levity potion is really interesting, but I'm not sure about it's efficiency... I would LOVE to see Elytra though, but not just half durbility, that's already a lot. Maybe 1/12 of durability, just enough to get to an island?
Campers are really making the game less enjoyable and slow the game down more than hackers IMHO
Thing is, if they get diamonds first and then remove their island's bridge once on their base, they can pretty much keep getting infinite gear / arrows + prevent people from breaking their egg. It's really an unbeatable tactic if done correctly but it's also unfair and really game breaking.
Levitation potions give the ability to somewhat glide forward but nothing special, the vertical acceleration is way higher than the horizontal one and you'd get reported for fly hacking. With elytra though, a single use, low durability one, you could easily go to an island without getting reported, even being sneaky if enough dank elytra skisls are put into it, and would give the game a new side.

Problem with elytra's is that a lot of hacked clients have extraelytra, a hack that makes you like 2000x faster with elytra equipped. Plus that you can combine the durability of multiple elytra's.
I like both, elytras are a little bit more OP than levitation but both would work.

 

[Ping Ether]

Problem with elytra's is that a lot of hacked clients have extraelytra, a hack that makes you like 2000x faster with elytra equipped. Plus that you can combine the durability of multiple elytra's.
I like both, elytras are a little bit more OP than levitation but both would work.

Combining durabilities is disabled in Eggwars, already implemented for tools and armor.

 

[CommunistCactus]

Combining durabilities is disabled in Eggwars, already implemented for tools and armor.

Then that shouldn't be a problem. Good to know.

 

[larswijn]

(not my video)

*casually building a bridge with obsidian*

levitation potions

+1
I need this in my eggwars games!

 

[CommunistCactus]

*casually building a bridge with obsidian*

*Casually having your bow in your off-hand when building*

 

[Gainfullterror]

So you prefer endless games like this:

Also I don't play skywars, and eggwars is an entire different gamemode. Also you can still see people with invis by when for instance when they sprint(ground particles), when they are hit by an arrow and of course the effect particles themselves.

I never said I like camping. In fact, I'd rather have hardcore camping like that just being against the rules.
What I'd count as hardcore camping is breaking a bridge completely and shooting anyone who tries coming over. Because that's just annoying.

 

[TheJeroen]

What I'd count as hardcore camping is breaking a bridge completely and shooting anyone who tries coming over. Because that's just annoying.

You know that's basicly every EggWars game in a nutshell you just described right?

 

[Gainfullterror]

You know that's basicly every EggWars game in a nutshell you just described right?

Ok let me rephrase that:
What I'd count as hardcore camping is breaking a bridge completely and does ANYTHING to make sure nobody comes over. Suicide charging with TNT and all, and shooting whenever somebody gets near the bridge.

 

[TheJeroen]

What I'd count as hardcore camping is breaking a bridge completely and does ANYTHING to make sure nobody comes over. Suicide charging with TNT and all, and shooting whenever somebody gets near the bridge.

You know that's basicly every EggWars game in a nutshell you just described right?

Welp, that's still your average EggWars game. You even have people 100x worse tho...
@Ping Ether and me played CampWars, (I got AC kicked bc it was a while ago) and that guy bowspammed and even made a TNT Cannon using 2 pieces of TNT to destroy our bridge...

 

[Ping Ether]

Welp, that's still your average EggWars game. You even have people 100x worse tho...
@Ping Ether and me played CampWars, (I got AC kicked bc it was a while ago) and that guy bowspammed and even made a TNT Cannon using 2 pieces of TNT to destroy our bridge...

Lol, we even had to use an obsidian bridge to get over, and they had stacks and stacks of gear. Oh my.