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Do you think Half Health on eggwars should be removed?


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Hello,

I've played this server for a few years, and I think that this has been a problem for a long time now:
There are too many parties of people who grind eggwars wins through Overpowered - Half Health.
I myself have been in some of these parties, and have seen myself that they literally are trying to
grind wins through voting OP - Half and rushing. All they did was choose games that their party fit in,
then voted OP - Half, then tried to win ASAP. I have also been one of the people who got
rushed by these parties (countless times), and NONE of those times were even slightly enjoyable. Eventually,
I had a realization: Literally nobody else except these people enjoys half health.

Think about it. When was the last time you saw some ranked player vote OP - Half for fun, and
not to rush every other island with his teamates? When was the last time you saw someone playing
Hardcore - Half or Normal - Half for fun? Or for that matter, when was the last time you saw ANY
stone rank ask for half health in ANY eggwars game? When it was first created, it didn't seem like a
bad idea, and didn't have any apparent harmful effects. But now, we can see that its become quite a
problem. Lets put it like this:

Lets pretend you are a stone rank player who is new to cubecraft, and decided to play eggwars. You
join a solo eggwars server and wait for people to join. You press Tab, and see that a ranked player has joined,
and has voted Overpowered Items, and soon after he votes for Half Health. Cool, you think, and then think
nothing else of it. The game starts, and withing 30 seconds you see that same ranked player has already
destroyed someone else's egg. You still don't think much of it. However, within 5 minutes, 6 other teams are
destroyed, and 4 of those teams are destroyed by the same ranked player. It becomes apparent now that the
ranked player is coming for you next, and all you've done is tried to figure out how the shop works. So
eventually, the person steamrolls you. You are kind of frustrated, but get over it quickly. You join a game of
Team Eggwars to give that a test run. This time, a team of 3 ranks joins, and they all vote OP - Half. Oh boy,
you think, and then the game begins. The same scenario occurs, and you find yourself in the same position,
flying around as a spectator, but now more frustrated. This scenario occurs 3 or 4 more times, and by the end
of it, you find yourself rage - quitting the server.


This seems like an oddly specific and rare situation, but trust me, it isn't. This has happened to me and
tons of other people as well, and it only hurts the server. Think back to that same scenario. When somebody
asks that player about eggwars, you won't talk about how they pulled off an attack or how they killed 4 people in
a row. You're going to talk about how it isn't a fun game, and how you just get rushed over and over again without
ever standing a chance. This reply causes more people to abandon eggwars, causing the game to lose players.
Remember, this isnt just one person. This is one of the hundreds of stone ranks who play Cubecraft, and get scared
away from playing eggwars because of these scenarios. Some of these players may only play Cubecraft for eggwars,
and end up leaving the server, like I did 8 months ago, until I came back when summer started. This is a real problem,
and it can be easily solved, but ends up being neglected. The result is useless rules that get created like "no skybasing", while people keep getting more and more frustrated.

Sincerely,
CouldBeAHerbert AKA CouldBeHerby
 

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I always vote half health and normal items. Just because I like it that way.
But this is exactly why people buy ranks: to vote what they want. They paid for it. And if you want another mode, you need to buy a rank too.
Anyways, don't remove the half health option.
 
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Shrek Trained Me

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Then git gud and don't play rome/mansion
Half health isn't gonna stop them from winfarming, and it's stupid to make being good against the rules.
It's not only rome/mansion these days. And it's just annoying how they one shot you. And being good has nothing to do with this. It's just critting people out. If they remove it it'll just be better for pvp it self.
I always vote half health and normal items. Just because I like it that way.
But this is exactly why people buy ranks: to vote what they want. They paid for it. And if you want another mode, you need to buy a rank too.
Anyways, don't remove the half health option.
Too many tryharders vote for half health so... And because you like it doesn't mean other people don't have the right to play something they don't like. Just remove that tryhard option, it's stupid.
 
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General Kenobi

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Half health is just like no projectiles, its ruining the game. I find it really boring, it doesnt have the same appeal that normal has - maybe even double. It became a problem when everyone started voting for it.

I think its also leaving a bad impression on newcomers. “Git gud” isnt an option here - if you play woth randoms you’ll lose for sure on half health. A coordinated team has a huge chance to win. All they need to do is attack you at once. 3 hits and you’re dead, its hard to get away within such a short time.

Coordinated teams have advantages always, buts its crazy how “tryhard” they’ve gotten thanks to half hp.
 

CommunistCactus

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It's not only rome/mansion these days. And it's just annoying how they one shot you. And being good has nothing to do with this. It's just critting people out. If they remove it it'll just be better for pvp it self.
If it's anything but rome/mansion, get a punch bow, camp mid and you're set.
And it's just annoying how they one shot you.
Not if you've got armor :thonk:
Tryharders usually don't go for diamonds but just try to rush everyone in leather gear and win by outnumbering any other good players. If you go to mid and get better gear, the tides are switched. Now you can oneshot them but they can't oneshot you.

So, TL;DR just camp mid and win.
 
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If it's anything but rome/mansion, get a punch bow, camp mid and you're set.

Not if you've got armor :thonk:
Tryharders usually don't go for diamonds but just try to rush everyone in leather gear and win by outnumbering any other good players. If you go to mid and get better gear, the tides are switched. Now you can oneshot them but they can't oneshot you.

So, TL;DR just camp mid and win.
Hmmm if you've got protection 3 leathergear then you're pretty save. But if you want to jump on people? You lose like 3 hearts and they can kill you easily. And camping is hard because my bow aim (Aim in general) sucks. I am noob and can't shoot properely. (Yes that is my problem i know) But i feel like camping isn't the best solution.
 

Lezappen

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I vote op half health all the time.

My opinion on each gamemode:
Op - normal:
I'm no tryhard (you can check, I don't have any q's replacing vowels in my name XD), I just hate fights that boil down to hitting them until their armor breaks because they have so many golden apples to go through that it is impossible to kill them without breaking their armor first. Punch bows in this gamemode are a must-have to avoid those long fights.

Normal-Normal:
End-game fights are fine in this gamemode but ressources are expensive at the start, it takes time to gear up after dying once and a death depending on the circumstances is a garanteed loss. Early game it takes a lot of time to upgrade the gens or gear up, I find myself sitting on gens a lot in this gamemode, same goes for hardcore.

Op-half fights here are fun for me, as you are constantly needing to keep track of your hunger and armor, when fighting "chuggers" they go through their gold apples a lot quicker, I once counted 16 gold apples before killing a person and was thankful this wasn't op normal. Op allows for gearing up fast and fast recovery while half health means that it is actually possible to kill people with damage rather than having to go through their armor in Op normal.

Normal half, this gamemode is unbearable in any situation where you are outnumbered, which happens often in every game.

My favourite modes are normal-normal and op half, they are pretty similar if not for the speed at which you can get items.
I honestly vote for op half because I like the cheap steak.
 

Gainfullterror

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Honestly, although I always vote op half (simply because I enjoy the fast fights w/ the cheap gear), I can definitely see where you're coming from (but not all of us want to grind wins that way. We just enjoy quick fights with cheaper gear (especially cheaper steak)). No projectiles in Skywars had the same problem for most of us as well. Luckily for us, that has been changed to a mode where bows are always available, solving our issues.
I can't really think of any ways to reduce how much of a pain half health is to you without actually screwing it up for the ones that love the mode, but this thread may be interesting to you:
https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/remove-half-health-from-eggwars-when-the-server-updates.208003/
This thread basically suggests to remove half health when the server updates to a newer minecraft version (Cube is currently on 1.9, with backwards compatibility for 1.10, 1.11, etc.). I don't know what exactly takes place in the recent versions of minecraft, but it's something regarding a nerf to the protection enchantment on armour. Once cube updates, half health wouldn't be necessary to have shorter fights seeing as recent versions of Minecraft have already done so. If they remove it later on and OP can support quick fights, half health can be removed for all I care.
 

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Hello,

I've played this server for a few years, and I think that this has been a problem for a long time now:
There are too many parties of people who grind eggwars wins through Overpowered - Half Health.
I myself have been in some of these parties, and have seen myself that they literally are trying to
grind wins through voting OP - Half and rushing. All they did was choose games that their party fit in,
then voted OP - Half, then tried to win ASAP. I have also been one of the people who got
rushed by these parties (countless times), and NONE of those times were even slightly enjoyable. Eventually,
I had a realization: Literally nobody else except these people enjoys half health.

Think about it. When was the last time you saw some ranked player vote OP - Half for fun, and
not to rush every other island with his teamates? When was the last time you saw someone playing
Hardcore - Half or Normal - Half for fun? Or for that matter, when was the last time you saw ANY
stone rank ask for half health in ANY eggwars game? When it was first created, it didn't seem like a
bad idea, and didn't have any apparent harmful effects. But now, we can see that its become quite a
problem. Lets put it like this:

Lets pretend you are a stone rank player who is new to cubecraft, and decided to play eggwars. You
join a solo eggwars server and wait for people to join. You press Tab, and see that a ranked player has joined,
and has voted Overpowered Items, and soon after he votes for Half Health. Cool, you think, and then think
nothing else of it. The game starts, and withing 30 seconds you see that same ranked player has already
destroyed someone else's egg. You still don't think much of it. However, within 5 minutes, 6 other teams are
destroyed, and 4 of those teams are destroyed by the same ranked player. It becomes apparent now that the
ranked player is coming for you next, and all you've done is tried to figure out how the shop works. So
eventually, the person steamrolls you. You are kind of frustrated, but get over it quickly. You join a game of
Team Eggwars to give that a test run. This time, a team of 3 ranks joins, and they all vote OP - Half. Oh boy,
you think, and then the game begins. The same scenario occurs, and you find yourself in the same position,
flying around as a spectator, but now more frustrated. This scenario occurs 3 or 4 more times, and by the end
of it, you find yourself rage - quitting the server.


This seems like an oddly specific and rare situation, but trust me, it isn't. This has happened to me and
tons of other people as well, and it only hurts the server. Think back to that same scenario. When somebody
asks that player about eggwars, you won't talk about how they pulled off an attack or how they killed 4 people in
a row. You're going to talk about how it isn't a fun game, and how you just get rushed over and over again without
ever standing a chance. This reply causes more people to abandon eggwars, causing the game to lose players.
Remember, this isnt just one person. This is one of the hundreds of stone ranks who play Cubecraft, and get scared
away from playing eggwars because of these scenarios. Some of these players may only play Cubecraft for eggwars,
and end up leaving the server, like I did 8 months ago, until I came back when summer started. This is a real problem,
and it can be easily solved, but ends up being neglected. The result is useless rules that get created like "no skybasing", while people keep getting more and more frustrated.

Sincerely,
CouldBeAHerbert AKA CouldBeHerby

No because sometimes I can actually kill people in OP.
 

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lol OP items half health - the mode where you can 4 shot a full prot 4 iron with a power 5 bow, or die if you fall off the table in teaparty

I would love to see half health removed but its too late for that now, far too many people only know how to play it these days, they'd all quit if it was removed and would have to play OP normal (true skill gamemode). Therefore it is probably best if it stayed
 

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Happens a lot more in OP normal since it's way more effective at keeping you alive there. In OP half it's much easier to kill someone quickly even when they're chugging.
Exactly, its much easier to get kills in OP half. In OP normal, only the people with high enough skill can kill opponents quickly.
 

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In OP normal, only the people with high enough skill can kill opponents quickly.
Doesn't matter if you're 3x more skilled, if they got more gapples, you're screwed. Not just in that fight, because yes it is possible to win, but also after the fight, since you just spent way too long fighting someone that should've died a lot sooner but didn't due to gapples being so broken in OP normal. Now your gear has gone to feces and you wasted a lot of your time. OP normal is a lot less skillful that OP half. Now, this would all be solved if gapples were nerfed (which has been requested a million times by now), but cube is busy doing more important things like making a football cosmetic.
 
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