Eggwars is a fun gamemode in which playing aggressive rewards you and is generally just fun to do since so long you have your egg, you don't have to worry about dying.
(If you can't be asked to read the whole post I'll leave a TLDR at the bottom of the post, though I would recommend reading the entire post for a better understanding.)
(I'm using angle brackets (this here: >) just to emphasize how important the passage could be considered for you as a reader. It's not that important tbh.)
Though sadly this is not always the case when you play Eggwars. Since you obviously don't always deal with the same exact circumstances every time and can't always go and kill all the other teams before some of them have gathered enough resources such as diamonds which won't be a problem assuming you have been gathering resources as well.
But in the late game is where things start to get difficult to still maintain rushing teams.
That's normal of course considering everybody gets better armor and swords but that's not where the problem lies.
Just that alone won't slow the game down.
Where things start to get slow is when bows are involved, specifically Punch Bows. Bows are good but Punch Bows are better because knockback in general is very good to have
since you'll be fighting on islands in the sky and of course in fights as well as they allow you to gain distance to run away or pressure the person you're fighting without touching them.
Knocking people off saves a lot of hassles as well which we all know but I digress.
>Punch bows are too good in Eggwars in my opinion because there're no proper counters against it. You can just stay on your island and wait for people to come to you, because why be aggressive if you can just stand in one place and shoot high knockback arrows that potentially can kill people very easily without having going through the effort of actually winning the interaction you would've had if you didn't have a bow to shoot people off bridges that are typically one block wide or get people to fall into gaps or just land enough shots to push them off the island.
You may say: "Oh well go buy a shield then, they are cheaper than bows too. Easy right?"
>Lol no.
The shields Cubecraft use are from 1.9. Aka they don't prevent knockback and only reduce damage. They can still get disabled by axes though.
Reference: https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/shields-dont-block.192548
Though the servers says 1.12+, the shields still function like they are from 1.9 (Starting from 1.11 is when shields started blocking 100% of the melee damage and knockback.)
>1.9 Shields can block arrows but it isn't consistent (or shield blocking doesn't cover you 100%). I can't speak for everyone, but I've had plenty moments in duels, eggwars and skywars
I straight up was facing the person while blocking and the arrows still hit me either way, sometimes I try to aim a bit higher or lower to see if there's a difference but I can't tell to be honest, correct me if you can.
I have no idea if it was because I was using the shield wrong or people are just capable shooting your toes and the tip of your head that the shield doesn't cover, which if possible would make shields not very useful.
One shot on bridges or on edges of islands is enough to knock you off so shields aren't a reliable option against campers using punch bows if it doesn't show to be consistent at blocking arrows and if multiple players are camping with punch bows one can just stand on the far right and one the far left to shoot at you from angles you aren't blocking at that moment.
Because of mentioned above, you can control the pace of the game by just having a punch bow so you don't necessarily need good armor or weapons if you can just maintain a distance and take your chances at knocking them off from afar.
Sure, the attackers can also buy a punch bow and spam you back but it doesn't allow them to get closer reliably since they aren't invincible to getting shot themselves which is bad obviously if they are the ones trying to approach the camper because now you'll just trade shots unable to move anywhere.
Now the game turns into a long one sided match of pain and boredom, because there's no incentive for the camper to do anything but to stand there and wait for you knowing you can't do anything against them, while you have to come to them risking to die very easily.
Essentially motivating camping and punishing you for trying to play aggressive/rushing.
So, that would only leave one option left:
Ender Pearls
"Yeah man, just go get ender pearls, easy enough. They only cost 6 4 d i a m o n d s. "
>>Ender Pearls can counter camping very easily because you teleport to get somewhere instead having to walk/run the distance and most importantly don't have to cross thin spaghetti bridges you can easily be shot off of effectively avoiding the risk of dying trying to get to a sky island that typically has no safe way to get to. Everybody knows that.
>>Why are Ender Pearls so extremely expensive compared to Punch Bows. 64 diamonds vs 25 diamonds in both Normal and Overpowered mode. Why? I find it even weirder how in Overpowered Mode Ender Pearls still remain 64 diamonds when everything else gets much cheaper, except for the aforementioned punch bow. I can understand why that bow didn't get cheaper but not the ender pearls cause in Overpowered everything becomes easier to get except for transportation so even if your armor and sword are enchanted or you can get more food, more blocks and break eggs easier, it won't matter if you can't even get near people that can just snipe you off your bridge with punch bows for free.
>>By the time a person gets an ender pearl, the camper could get 2 diamond armor parts or a sharpness 5 diamond sword or in the worst case, they get an ender pearl themselves.
And if they do manage to get an ender pearl as well they can just pearl away as soon you've used yours to get to them.
Making all the time you've spent trying to get a single pearl in the first place completely wasted.
In either of those 3 situations you'd be at a disadvantage of trying to get a pearl: Either they become bulkier, deadlier or campier.
They are getting stronger while you are spending your time just trying to get to them.
>>To be fair, in normal mode they can't get bulkier or deadlier (because iron armor is the best you can get as well as a regular diamond sword)
but the campy scenario still remains so the chances of them spending it on the pearl could be even higher, though they could also just buy 2 God Apples instead making them bulkier but temporarily technically, it's still a huge advantage.
>>>So I'd like to suggest a solution against this problem which you probably have realized by now:<<<
please, Please, PLEASE, make Ender Pearls cheaper. They can solve the solution of campers by a lot.
Please make Ender Pearls worth 25 Diamonds or close to it so there's a direct counter to campers that is reliable and doesn't take 5 years to get.
I suggest 25 as the cost personally so you can choose between an equal run or gun situation:
You can choose to be defensive and go for the punch bow but you ALSO have the option to be aggressive without a big paywall stopping you from doing so, balancing both playstyles.
But also Ender Pearls actually become actually used to begin with, I never see them used at all, not even late game. Ender Pearls can give gameplay more depth as it isn't immediately over the moment you're knocked off, if you're fast enough and throw a pearl before you're off the map you can still save yourself and clutch. Or your team is dead and only you survived and it's you up against a whole other team, at least you can escape and buy yourself some more time to get better items.
Sadly by the prize it's at now that can't even be considered an option simply because it takes way too long lol.
I wouldn't want to suggest getting rid of Punch Bows as a whole as they still have their use and bows in general aren't even bad to begin with.
I'm simply asking for a counter to that so the game doesn't last so long.
>>>Alright so you may say it's a bad idea to make it cheaper for potential points like these:
1: If Ender Pearls become cheaper that means the camper can get them easier as well and use them to run away-
Counter argument: That's true, but there's a limit on how many times you can ender pearl away, you lose health using them and Eggwars has no abilities that allows you to negate Ender pearl damage so there definitely will be moments you need to stop and eat leaving yourself open to be attacked.
The situation of chasing after a person running away from you seems way more appealing and action packed than being forced to just freaking stand there helplessly dealing with a person spamming with their punch bow from their island. You can at least apply strategies while chasing someone like cutting them off or forcing/baiting them to use their pearls
(Such as managing to hit them off or bow them off) until they run out of pearls or diamonds to buy new ones with. 25 Diamonds is still a lot and isn't something you'll just get with a finger snap.
2: Can't people just go and collect 25 diamonds and then just easily ender pearl cheese to your egg and break it for free?
Counter argument: Yes and no. By the time someone gets 25 diamonds it will usually be spend on gear first before they go with other utilities and again it still takes time to get that many to begin with. But say you choose to not get gear and just get a pearl instead. By that time if a team is smart they will have their egg covered in obsidian or have better gear by then. So sure you can go get diamond pick as well which isn't that hard to get and go rush their egg with your pearl but as soon as they see you they will have better gear than you and kill you before you break the obsidian defense, if they notice that is.
It may not happen as quickly as you'd think as most go for diamond swords and iron armor first which by then you need to have gathered 32 diamonds in total and then 25 for the ender pearl. But you also got to keep in mind you're not the only person getting diamonds so it's not going to be a smooth or quick process
in this situation alone, getting 57 diamonds in total will take time lol.
It may need to be tested to be honest to see if you can even cheese it that easily, sounds easy in theory but I don't think it is practically.
I can imagine it could be easier to do in normal mode since 5 obsidian blocks takes a while to get (50 Gold) compared to OP Mode (15 Gold) but then again that if is you choose not to get iron armor or a diamond sword, only a pearl, a pickaxe and just leather armor against up to 2-4 typically in an eggwars game unless you go solo, probably there it would be easier to do that if you can get the resources before anyone else that is but that probably isn't that easy.
TLDR:
Please make Ender Pearls cheaper preferably the same prize as Punch Bows (25 Diamonds) so there's a way to counter people camping and bow spamming from their island for the whole game without you unable to do anything about it. Punch Bows being much cheaper than ender pearls makes camping easy to do.
I tagged Bedrock in here as well since I read on this post: https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/eggwars-guide-on-cubecraft-java-bedrock.222904/#post-1078282
that ender pearls and punch bows are the same prize as java there too so it could be a solution for both Bedrock and Java but since that post was from 2019, the prizes may have changed, but they could still be accurate because the prizes on the java version remained the same, but I don't know about Bedrock because I don't play Bedrock Edition.
Please feel free to correct me if there're any points I made that didn't make sense lol.
(If you can't be asked to read the whole post I'll leave a TLDR at the bottom of the post, though I would recommend reading the entire post for a better understanding.)
(I'm using angle brackets (this here: >) just to emphasize how important the passage could be considered for you as a reader. It's not that important tbh.)
Though sadly this is not always the case when you play Eggwars. Since you obviously don't always deal with the same exact circumstances every time and can't always go and kill all the other teams before some of them have gathered enough resources such as diamonds which won't be a problem assuming you have been gathering resources as well.
But in the late game is where things start to get difficult to still maintain rushing teams.
That's normal of course considering everybody gets better armor and swords but that's not where the problem lies.
Just that alone won't slow the game down.
Where things start to get slow is when bows are involved, specifically Punch Bows. Bows are good but Punch Bows are better because knockback in general is very good to have
since you'll be fighting on islands in the sky and of course in fights as well as they allow you to gain distance to run away or pressure the person you're fighting without touching them.
Knocking people off saves a lot of hassles as well which we all know but I digress.
>Punch bows are too good in Eggwars in my opinion because there're no proper counters against it. You can just stay on your island and wait for people to come to you, because why be aggressive if you can just stand in one place and shoot high knockback arrows that potentially can kill people very easily without having going through the effort of actually winning the interaction you would've had if you didn't have a bow to shoot people off bridges that are typically one block wide or get people to fall into gaps or just land enough shots to push them off the island.
You may say: "Oh well go buy a shield then, they are cheaper than bows too. Easy right?"
>Lol no.
The shields Cubecraft use are from 1.9. Aka they don't prevent knockback and only reduce damage. They can still get disabled by axes though.
Reference: https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/shields-dont-block.192548
Though the servers says 1.12+, the shields still function like they are from 1.9 (Starting from 1.11 is when shields started blocking 100% of the melee damage and knockback.)
>1.9 Shields can block arrows but it isn't consistent (or shield blocking doesn't cover you 100%). I can't speak for everyone, but I've had plenty moments in duels, eggwars and skywars
I straight up was facing the person while blocking and the arrows still hit me either way, sometimes I try to aim a bit higher or lower to see if there's a difference but I can't tell to be honest, correct me if you can.
I have no idea if it was because I was using the shield wrong or people are just capable shooting your toes and the tip of your head that the shield doesn't cover, which if possible would make shields not very useful.
One shot on bridges or on edges of islands is enough to knock you off so shields aren't a reliable option against campers using punch bows if it doesn't show to be consistent at blocking arrows and if multiple players are camping with punch bows one can just stand on the far right and one the far left to shoot at you from angles you aren't blocking at that moment.
Because of mentioned above, you can control the pace of the game by just having a punch bow so you don't necessarily need good armor or weapons if you can just maintain a distance and take your chances at knocking them off from afar.
Sure, the attackers can also buy a punch bow and spam you back but it doesn't allow them to get closer reliably since they aren't invincible to getting shot themselves which is bad obviously if they are the ones trying to approach the camper because now you'll just trade shots unable to move anywhere.
Now the game turns into a long one sided match of pain and boredom, because there's no incentive for the camper to do anything but to stand there and wait for you knowing you can't do anything against them, while you have to come to them risking to die very easily.
Essentially motivating camping and punishing you for trying to play aggressive/rushing.
So, that would only leave one option left:
Ender Pearls
"Yeah man, just go get ender pearls, easy enough. They only cost 6 4 d i a m o n d s. "
>>Ender Pearls can counter camping very easily because you teleport to get somewhere instead having to walk/run the distance and most importantly don't have to cross thin spaghetti bridges you can easily be shot off of effectively avoiding the risk of dying trying to get to a sky island that typically has no safe way to get to. Everybody knows that.
>>Why are Ender Pearls so extremely expensive compared to Punch Bows. 64 diamonds vs 25 diamonds in both Normal and Overpowered mode. Why? I find it even weirder how in Overpowered Mode Ender Pearls still remain 64 diamonds when everything else gets much cheaper, except for the aforementioned punch bow. I can understand why that bow didn't get cheaper but not the ender pearls cause in Overpowered everything becomes easier to get except for transportation so even if your armor and sword are enchanted or you can get more food, more blocks and break eggs easier, it won't matter if you can't even get near people that can just snipe you off your bridge with punch bows for free.
>>By the time a person gets an ender pearl, the camper could get 2 diamond armor parts or a sharpness 5 diamond sword or in the worst case, they get an ender pearl themselves.
And if they do manage to get an ender pearl as well they can just pearl away as soon you've used yours to get to them.
Making all the time you've spent trying to get a single pearl in the first place completely wasted.
In either of those 3 situations you'd be at a disadvantage of trying to get a pearl: Either they become bulkier, deadlier or campier.
They are getting stronger while you are spending your time just trying to get to them.
>>To be fair, in normal mode they can't get bulkier or deadlier (because iron armor is the best you can get as well as a regular diamond sword)
but the campy scenario still remains so the chances of them spending it on the pearl could be even higher, though they could also just buy 2 God Apples instead making them bulkier but temporarily technically, it's still a huge advantage.
>>>So I'd like to suggest a solution against this problem which you probably have realized by now:<<<
please, Please, PLEASE, make Ender Pearls cheaper. They can solve the solution of campers by a lot.
Please make Ender Pearls worth 25 Diamonds or close to it so there's a direct counter to campers that is reliable and doesn't take 5 years to get.
I suggest 25 as the cost personally so you can choose between an equal run or gun situation:
You can choose to be defensive and go for the punch bow but you ALSO have the option to be aggressive without a big paywall stopping you from doing so, balancing both playstyles.
But also Ender Pearls actually become actually used to begin with, I never see them used at all, not even late game. Ender Pearls can give gameplay more depth as it isn't immediately over the moment you're knocked off, if you're fast enough and throw a pearl before you're off the map you can still save yourself and clutch. Or your team is dead and only you survived and it's you up against a whole other team, at least you can escape and buy yourself some more time to get better items.
Sadly by the prize it's at now that can't even be considered an option simply because it takes way too long lol.
I wouldn't want to suggest getting rid of Punch Bows as a whole as they still have their use and bows in general aren't even bad to begin with.
I'm simply asking for a counter to that so the game doesn't last so long.
>>>Alright so you may say it's a bad idea to make it cheaper for potential points like these:
1: If Ender Pearls become cheaper that means the camper can get them easier as well and use them to run away-
Counter argument: That's true, but there's a limit on how many times you can ender pearl away, you lose health using them and Eggwars has no abilities that allows you to negate Ender pearl damage so there definitely will be moments you need to stop and eat leaving yourself open to be attacked.
The situation of chasing after a person running away from you seems way more appealing and action packed than being forced to just freaking stand there helplessly dealing with a person spamming with their punch bow from their island. You can at least apply strategies while chasing someone like cutting them off or forcing/baiting them to use their pearls
(Such as managing to hit them off or bow them off) until they run out of pearls or diamonds to buy new ones with. 25 Diamonds is still a lot and isn't something you'll just get with a finger snap.
2: Can't people just go and collect 25 diamonds and then just easily ender pearl cheese to your egg and break it for free?
Counter argument: Yes and no. By the time someone gets 25 diamonds it will usually be spend on gear first before they go with other utilities and again it still takes time to get that many to begin with. But say you choose to not get gear and just get a pearl instead. By that time if a team is smart they will have their egg covered in obsidian or have better gear by then. So sure you can go get diamond pick as well which isn't that hard to get and go rush their egg with your pearl but as soon as they see you they will have better gear than you and kill you before you break the obsidian defense, if they notice that is.
It may not happen as quickly as you'd think as most go for diamond swords and iron armor first which by then you need to have gathered 32 diamonds in total and then 25 for the ender pearl. But you also got to keep in mind you're not the only person getting diamonds so it's not going to be a smooth or quick process
in this situation alone, getting 57 diamonds in total will take time lol.
It may need to be tested to be honest to see if you can even cheese it that easily, sounds easy in theory but I don't think it is practically.
I can imagine it could be easier to do in normal mode since 5 obsidian blocks takes a while to get (50 Gold) compared to OP Mode (15 Gold) but then again that if is you choose not to get iron armor or a diamond sword, only a pearl, a pickaxe and just leather armor against up to 2-4 typically in an eggwars game unless you go solo, probably there it would be easier to do that if you can get the resources before anyone else that is but that probably isn't that easy.
TLDR:
Please make Ender Pearls cheaper preferably the same prize as Punch Bows (25 Diamonds) so there's a way to counter people camping and bow spamming from their island for the whole game without you unable to do anything about it. Punch Bows being much cheaper than ender pearls makes camping easy to do.
I tagged Bedrock in here as well since I read on this post: https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/eggwars-guide-on-cubecraft-java-bedrock.222904/#post-1078282
that ender pearls and punch bows are the same prize as java there too so it could be a solution for both Bedrock and Java but since that post was from 2019, the prizes may have changed, but they could still be accurate because the prizes on the java version remained the same, but I don't know about Bedrock because I don't play Bedrock Edition.
Please feel free to correct me if there're any points I made that didn't make sense lol.
