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Hi everyone. First of all I want to say I have a huge amount of respect for the moderators here because without them there's no Cubecraft, but I still want to criticize something. It's about the Discord server. I am daily in the Discord server to talk with friends and play Cubecraft. Already since I've joined the server there were rule brakers like earrapers or people talk in other languages. They were always punished quickly but since 3/4 weeks it gets worse. Earrapers are 20 minutes in call without getting banned, people post weird pics in Media without getting banned, people swear in regional tekst channels without getting banned, yesterday night there was a guy streaming hacks for 1 hour in a voice channel without getting banned. It gives me the feeling that the staff doesn't care anymore, and I understand it's hard to moderate on 3 different platforms.

The solution to prevent those problems is very easy: Give Helpers perms to ban rule breakers. Since they are a lot in the Discord server to help people in Staff-Help they can react faster in case of problems.

I like to know what you think about the moderation on the Discord server.

Greetings, EasyWest
 

ThatLadChris

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I can see where you're coming from with the giving the ability to permanently ban people in the server, and I agree. Just like the actual server, people could either be permanently banned on the spot in discord with no chance of coming back, or somehow keep track of whos been banned from the discord server with an amount of how long they wont be able to be in it based on what they did and/or how many times they've done it.
 
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Skoedel

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I fully agree because the discord server really needs to be fixed in terms of rule breaks
10 year old children should not see 18+ videos / photos or racist photos etc
I am also not often in voice chats but I know from friends that this really needs to be fixed
 

person9595

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I agree aswell, I have Sort-of seen people break the rules but I always Report rule breakers, One rule they Should add for all Networks, Including the Forums, is respect Everybody.
 
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Marieke2001

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Since the issue is mostly about people in calls, I think it's best to only let the helpers (temp) mute members. They shouldn't get to ban other members, because it'll remove someone from our server and we can't monitor who banned who why what if there are mistakes made.
 

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Since the issue is mostly about people in calls, I think it's best to only let the helpers (temp) mute members. They shouldn't get to ban other members, because it'll remove someone from our server and we can't monitor who banned who why what if there are mistakes made.
Yea I figured that there wouldn't be a way to keep track of so many people on discord. Temporary mutes may be a better option as well as temporary giving people the inability to type in certain chats, if not all chats.
 
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ValentinoGV_

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Maybe they should organise a schedule where they decide who's going to be looking users at Discord closely to avoid these types of users. If you think about it, it is a difficult thing to organise, but it isn't a bad solution
 

ValentinoGV_

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Force volunteer people to be online at specific times? No, thanks.
I didn't mean to say it like that. I'll try to explain myself a bit better

Maybe you could ask for volunteers to be in charge of mantaining Discord clean for I don't know, 30min? 1h?
Then with those people who decided that they would like to do something more, you could organise who can be watching out at what time.

I hope that makes more sense :)
 

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I can understand where you’re coming from, that there are quite a lot of rule-breakers. But I personally don’t think helpers should get punishment power. As you may know, CubeCraft are recruiting a lot more helpers to monitor all chat channels and voice channels. I’m not too sure how their system is, if they alert a moderator about it or not, but I know that helpers do report rule breakers if they do see one.
The purpose of having a Helper stage before becoming a moderator is so that CubeCraft can decide if they would be worthy and active enough to be a moderator. They also do not get (a lot) of powers, so that they aren’t brought into the moderation team abusing their powers. Rest assured that over the time, there will be more moderators to take instant action on rule-breakers.
Thanks for your suggestion anyway :).
 
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The solution to prevent those problems is very easy: Give Helpers perms to ban rule breakers. Since they are a lot in the Discord server to help people in Staff-Help they can react faster in case of problems.
Helpers are perfectly able to kick people, and I believe they might be able to ban people as well, the issue is the policy that forces helpers to tell their mentor before they are allowed to do absolutely anything. This is an issue with the helper procedure itself as if they want these people to be able to punish people when other mods can't how are they supposed to do this as they just have to report it which requires a mod to be online and kind ruins the whole thing as the helpers are kinda just sitting there, unable to do anything and receiving criticism because of the system, however this issue will fix itself in the long term.

Moderation on the Discord has always been something that has concerned me. While the staff team is great, and honestly is one of the best I've ever met in terms of punishment and response, they've still got so far to improve before I'd consided it good.

Now, Cube have made some huge improvements, a couple of years ago it was complete anarchy to even the point where raids by large groups of people who were engaging in extreme targeted harassment were responded to slowly and barely punished if at all. These days it's a lot of the smaller things that have become a lot more apparent. The extreme leniency and inconsistently with warnings - some people could be banned for swearing twice whereas some people have been warned in the double digits of times and haven't even been kicked. There needs to be much mroe consistency with punishments - some kind of specific punishment tracks for Discord as well as A DISCORD BOT as with a bot you can do more than just kick and ban (Management refuses to just add a pre made bot like Dyno or Mee6 while also refusing to work on their own Discord bot). This issue really just boils down to Management and their lack of focus on Discord as they are the people who are in charge of this. The mods aren't the one who decide the policy they operate by, they need the admins to invite the bot and deal with it.

To summarise, the Discord just needs a huge refresh and this issue is one of the biggest issues that need to be addressed. These things need to happen before the moderation can be called good imo:
- Faster response times - I know a more active Discord server with less than half the online staff members compared to Cube who still manage to deal with issues in less than half the time as Cube. Leaving an incredibly toxic troll who is causing huge amounts of harm for 20-40 minutes before banning them is not adequate.
- Discord specific punishments - Like I said before, there needs to be specific Discord punishment tracks so that some people don't get loads of warnings and some people don't get 0 because the rules don't actually give anything about it
- Better Discord punishment tracking - Relating to ensuring that punishments are consistent, there needs to be better tracking of the punishments as there clearly isn't good enough tracking currently as there have been countless times that previously punished people get away breaking rules again because the staff who punished them the 2nd time didnt do it the 1st time.
- A DISCORD BOT - JUST ADD ONE PLEASE, IT MAKES EVERYONE'S LIVES BETTER. Multiple more punishments, far better tracking and automated chat filter just to begin with, and it's so easy it takes like 10-20 minutes to set up.
- Harsher punishments - Giving people loads of warnings will not get people to stop. The number of times that people just get away with doing things over and over again because all they get is a light warning is ridiculous, although this mostly happens with trolls and similar rule breakers.
- Punishments specifically for "death by a thousand cuts" - we all know them, that person who constantly walks on the line over and over just to test the patience of staff, but gets away with it because they don't really break any rules, they just blur the line so much. These people need to be gone. They are toxic and they are trolls, yet they just get to stay.
- Better recognition of trolls - Trolls are similar to the death by a thousand cuts statement, they mostly just blur the line and are absolutely obviously just there to troll and upset other users. Ban them instantly, they don't deserve to be on the server if their intent is to just be unpleasant.
- Continue hiring staff - This is less of a suggestion, but more of an encouragement for the admin team to keep up the great work hiring more staff - considering how it can take up to an hour for a single mod out of a total of over 20 to just ban a single person saying extremely unpleasant things.

There's a lot of work to do, but it is possible given enough effort is put in from the Admin team, as a lot of this is down to them and how they decide how the staff team runs. However, considering how ridiculously little effort they appear to have towards the Discord server and improving it, I find it unlikely that they'll do a single one of these unfortnately. Thanks for bringing this up though, this is a topic which definitely needs to be talked about. Considering how poor the moderation is, I honestly think a long written out response to Discord could even get the server's partnered status removed considering how the partner guidelines state that "We (Discord) do expect you to build a moderation team who will take action on issues within a reasonable timeframe. Having no moderation or claiming the server is too big to moderate is unacceptable."
 

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Discord specific punishments - Like I said before, there needs to be specific Discord punishment tracks so that some people don't get loads of warnings and some people don't get 0 because the rules don't actually give anything about it
Those already exists, however, they haven't been avalible for the public afaik. Making them public is something that would help with this issue -- so that there is no confusion.

Better Discord punishment tracking - Relating to ensuring that punishments are consistent, there needs to be better tracking of the punishments as there clearly isn't good enough tracking currently as there have been countless times that previously punished people get away breaking rules again because the staff who punished them the 2nd time didnt do it the 1st time.
We've had a tracking that we do manually on a seperate site in the past that was used by 30% of the moderators. About 2-3 weeks ago, we've got a new system, in a channel on Discord instead where everything should be logged. This will hopefully help us follow up on these punishment tracks long term.

A DISCORD BOT - JUST ADD ONE PLEASE, IT MAKES EVERYONE'S LIVES BETTER. Multiple more punishments, far better tracking and automated chat filter just to begin with, and it's so easy it takes like 10-20 minutes to set up.
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Punishments specifically for "death by a thousand cuts" - we all know them, that person who constantly walks on the line over and over just to test the patience of staff, but gets away with it because they don't really break any rules, they just blur the line so much. These people need to be gone. They are toxic and they are trolls, yet they just get to stay.
We do punish for "creating drama" which is similar to what you're describing. However, we usually discuss these kind of people since the rule is a bit vauge, which may slow down the process of getting them punished.

Continue hiring staff - This is less of a suggestion, but more of an encouragement for the admin team to keep up the great work hiring more staff - considering how it can take up to an hour for a single mod out of a total of over 20 to just ban a single person saying extremely unpleasant things.
We're on it, dw ;)
As long as you're talking about volunteer staff
 
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Since the issue is mostly about people in calls, I think it's best to only let the helpers (temp) mute members. They shouldn't get to ban other members, because it'll remove someone from our server and we can't monitor who banned who why what if there are mistakes made.

I agree with this. Helpers also have less experience as staff members and can be not sure about what to do. A mistake can be made easily as you said.

And after all, with a lot of helpers active now, whenever they will be promoted to moderator, they will keep active as well and can punish rule breakers more efficiently.
 

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I think the best solution will be to add Temp Mute permissions to Helpers on Discord so they can easily mute the rule breakers but they never should have access for ban since they are new staff members and they can ban someone wrong.
 
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I think the best solution will be to add Mute permissions to Helpers on Discord so they can easily mute the rule breakers but they never should have access for ban since they are new staff members and they can ban someone wrong.
They already have.
 
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