Bedrock New Reporting Rules

[Kai_Way]

As of last week, I've had reports I've made against players being denied due to video being edited.

For myself I always show the full unedited clip first of the offender breaking the rules then depending on the footage I might follow up with a repeat of the video; maybe zoomed in a little, even slowed down if a lot is going on all at once, etc.

Example: Let’s say have a clip of someone fly hacking in my game, they are at a slight distance so it is hard to make out the gamertag by just watching the video as it is. Since I have the original video in the best quality possible before posting it, I would then show that unedited clip followed up by a part of it zoomed in slightly (maybe even slowed down a little) to show a clear view of their gamertag. The problem is if I don't do this, I know for a fact the report will be denied due to the gamertag not being clear enough because 1. The moderators won't have access to the better-quality video to see the gamertag clearer and 2. The fact they will now need to go out of your own way to try and zoom into a YouTube video.

Overall, it seems unfair that I'm going out of my way to make the video evidence easier to watch but now are being denied for doing so? Can we instead have a rule stating that as long as the video evidence shows the full unedited clip first before showing anything zoomed in, slowed down, etc it would be acceptable? All I want is to have these players off the server that are ruining the experience for everyone else.

 

[tacoman222xx]

Yesssssss mine got denied twice too. First time because it was 6 minutes, even though I couldn't find rules about +5minutes, that was nowhere. The second time I showed an unedited clip, then a slowed down same clip and it got denied for "edited". This is getting so annoying and it now takes me for example 3 times as long to report one of ckpaw's new alts as it takes him to duplicate a new one, this is not rewarding behaviour and CC is not really encouraging me to report players.

 

[Hoshi]

Just report the user normally and don't put in the extra effort to edit it. The fact that you edited it can be an indicator that the rest of the video is potentially also edited. That is why it gets denied. Raw footage is better, let the mods figure it out themselves.

@tacoman222xx It is very clearly stated here.

 

[BicolourSine41 🇺🇦]

As of last week, I've had reports I've made against players being denied due to video being edited.

For myself I always show the full unedited clip first of the offender breaking the rules then depending on the footage I might follow up with a repeat of the video; maybe zoomed in a little, even slowed down if a lot is going on all at once, etc.

Example: Let’s say have a clip of someone fly hacking in my game, they are at a slight distance so it is hard to make out the gamertag by just watching the video as it is. Since I have the original video in the best quality possible before posting it, I would then show that unedited clip followed up by a part of it zoomed in slightly (maybe even slowed down a little) to show a clear view of their gamertag. The problem is if I don't do this, I know for a fact the report will be denied due to the gamertag not being clear enough because 1. The moderators won't have access to the better-quality video to see the gamertag clearer and 2. The fact they will now need to go out of your own way to try and zoom into a YouTube video.

Overall, it seems unfair that I'm going out of my way to make the video evidence easier to watch but now are being denied for doing so? Can we instead have a rule stating that as long as the video evidence shows the full unedited clip first before showing anything zoomed in, slowed down, etc it would be acceptable? All I want is to have these players off the server that are ruining the experience for everyone else.

You have a fair point, but as @Hoshi clearly states, if a part is edited the other part could be edited too. This would make the moderation of reports a lot harder.

 

[𝑷𝑹𝑶 𝑾𝑰𝑵𝑵𝑨𝑨𝑹]

I’ve personally experienced, and know others who have too, that reports with completely unedited footage often get denied more frequently, even when the evidence is clear.

I don’t see why players shouldn’t be allowed to include an edited section as an addition with the raw footage included. If someone wants to spend extra time to highlight the relevant part, like zooming or slowing it down, that should be their choice. Especially when the alternative is submitting a raw video that gets denied for being “unclear.”

(a, meant to quote @Hoshi here):
I do get your point about edited parts making the rest potentially suspicious, but that possibility always exists, even with so called raw clips.

If the raw footage is completely included, any additional edited parts should not invalidate the report. In fact, we do this to help mods see things more clearly. Penalizing players for making the evidence easier to follow discourages people from reporting at all.

 

[qCrxfterr]

I wish we had a replay system so we could easily deal with this stuff.

 

[llvqs]

We understand the intention behind adding edited parts like zoom or slow motion, especially when it’s meant to clarify something specific. However, we've chosen to deny reports that include any editing, even if a full unedited version is included to strongly discourage editing altogether. In case slowing down the footage is necessary during review, we are fully capable of doing that ourselves as needed. If you want to clarify something, the “additional information” section in the report form is the right place for that. You can explain what to look out for, timestamps, or anything else relevant there.

If your report still gets denied and you believe it shouldn't have been, you’re welcome to open a conversation on the forums with the moderator who reviewed it or open a ticket on our discord for a detailed discussion.

 

[emptypandora]

There is a reason ppl edit, spend more time and provide the additional clips...." additional" that means " in addition to' the raw data." 1. Most Mods don't understand the cheats on display, they literally don't, as they dont know the clients, what they can do, how it looks and in some cases they dont even play the game. 2. If we didn't highlight the exact moment the Mods wouldn't see it, so we have to serve it on a plate to best support the community. 3 The new rules on 15 cps doesn't even work, how is that ? But edit a clip to help and it's rejected? IMO I think the server would rather have these players.....alas.......its a business after all

 

[screamiepup1]

There is a reason ppl edit, spend more time and provide the additional clips...." additional" that means " in addition to' the raw data." 1. Most Mods don't understand the cheats on display, they literally don't, as they dont know the clients, what they can do, how it looks and in some cases they dont even play the game. 2. If we didn't highlight the exact moment the Mods wouldn't see it, so we have to serve it on a plate to best support the community. 3 The new rules on 15 cps doesn't even work, how is that ? But edit a clip to help and it's rejected? IMO I think the server would rather have these players.....alas.......its a business after all

So many times I've reported OBVIOUS reach, aimbot, antikb, etc, and EVERY TIME my report got denied due to "server could have been lagging, not enough evidence, (insert dumb excuse)" and then they lock the chat because they KNOW I'll show more proof (once it was 8 block reach and my ping was legit 50ms, and they called it "lag."). Not only that, but if the server "lagged" every time I fought a hacker, they're using the worst server software imaginable then.

 

[Kai_Way]

We understand the intention behind adding edited parts like zoom or slow motion, especially when it’s meant to clarify something specific. However, we've chosen to deny reports that include any editing, even if a full unedited version is included to strongly discourage editing altogether. In case slowing down the footage is necessary during review, we are fully capable of doing that ourselves as needed. If you want to clarify something, the “additional information” section in the report form is the right place for that. You can explain what to look out for, timestamps, or anything else relevant there.

If your report still gets denied and you believe it shouldn't have been, you’re welcome to open a conversation on the forums with the moderator who reviewed it or open a ticket on our discord for a detailed discussion.

This whole avoiding edited videos just seems pointless to me; if someone is going to be malicious about it they will most likely carefully edit the raw footage. I understand that you, the moderators are capable of slowing down the video but as I stated before when it comes to zooming in for a clearer image (be it for the gamertag or whats going on), I will have the better quality footage to do so before it is uploaded to youtube.

When you say "unedited" does this also include just clips of the offender put together rather than myself sending in a 20 minute long video?

 

[fazeoul]

i would say it depends on how much the video is edited, because if they are simple edits like showing the nametag better or repeating certain key moments then i don't see a problem. so i would say as long as the video starts in full screen to show that you are in cubecraft and the date etc all good, don't be so picky cubecraft.