If I remember right there used to be the problem of games taking too long to start when everyone could choose maps. This would bring another different issue.This system works on Hypixel because you can choose if you want to play a 2vs2vs2etc, a 3vs3vs3etc or a 4vs4vs4etc game, even if you have no rank. I would rather having to wait 1 minute longer for my game to start than having to join and leave games multiple times.
If you don't have the money for it, I'm sorry, then you will just have to play like it is. The world is not free sadly.But what if you do not have the money to buy a rank? Not everyone is rich and it should be completely free to have a nice game experience as you already paid for the game.
Discrimination against stone rankers
Once, I saw a guy chatting: 'Wie wil er party? Alleen rankers.' or translated: 'Who wants a party invite? I only invite rankers.' We cannot do anything against this of course, but the way the server is made also discriminates stone rankers in a way.
I do not have a rank but still, I play almost every day on this server, whenever I have the time to do so. Sometimes, I play with friends. However, when I play alone or with friends without a rank, I face some difficulties and annoying things, which I think could be easily solved by updating a few things, or to undo some updates that created this problems.
I categorised this thread in different sections, so feel free to read only one and to vote for only one particular problem. This is a mega thread after all.
Party limit
First of all, I want to address the problem that we - as I do not have a rank - cannot invite more than two players into our party. This is an old thread I made about it: https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/party-limit-of-2.207038/#post-1088858
Exactly 1/3 of all respondents says that they want to remove the party limit, I think we should at least increase it, as it is very annoying to join at the same time with a friend, because you have to count down and there is a chance that you do not join the same server actually, so you have to rejoin. After all, it is more difficult to join the same map than it was a few years ago, when we could just choose maps as stone rankers. That way - let's say we are playing Team Skywars - we can choose which map to join. More about that, in the section about the ability to choose maps.
You can say that we have to buy a rank to solve the problem, but there are other servers as well where no party limit is given. With an unlimited party limit, however, there is the possiblity that players invite everyone and such big party's can crash the server, and so on. But, you still have to accept a party invite. And, we can at least increase the amount of players you can invite as a stone ranker, for we will not play with ten players, because the chance that one of them has a rank is big. When you play with three people, the chance is small that one of them has a rank. So, increase it, I would say.
Friends list limit
Another 'problem' that annoys me is that we cannot have more than 10 friends. I do not think that it is a real problem, because you can still invite eachother, you can just not see when a friend joins the server. Some friends are inactive as well, and we can just remove them from our friend list, but again: it is very annoying to keep your friends list up to date. For rankers, it is not a diciding factor to buy a rank. It is only annoying for people without a rank. Even, friendships can be undone because of this, because you will not see it when an old friend joins the server again, and thus, you have to find other ways to contact him or her, but that is not always possible. For example, I have a friend who join the server almost never, but when he does, I ask him how life is going and things, but I had to remove him from my friendlist, simply because I had too much friends, and wanted to keep some space for new friends.
Missing the ability to choose maps
This is a weird point because this was possible a few years ago. Do you remember the signs system, where you had different lobby's for every gamemode? There was a wall with signs where you could choose from. You could choose almost every map. I think the change has something to do with the decreasing popularity of Minecraft at that time, but now, more players are playing Minecraft again, and thus, there is no lack of servers. So we must be able to choose our own maps again. This could be a deciding factor for players to buy a rank, though, but the effect will be small. It is more difficult to join the same map together when the party is full, and it is very annoying to come in a map in Team Skywars where there are teams of five players when you are in a party of only three.
We can also just make it the way it is on some other servers. You can keep the NPC's, but let players choose with how many players they would like to play. Do they want to play 2v2, 3v3 or 4v4 for example? That way, maps are still a ranker's privilege, but it does not ruin gameplay for players without a rank. This would have a very small impact on Cubecraft's finances, so Cubecraft will not shut down thanks to a lack of money.
The NPC's now look professional, but functionality (the signs) is more important. With the solution introduced above, you have a combination of professionality and functionality for stone rankers. @S4nne made a topic about bringing back the old lobby: https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/change-the-main-lobby.226561/
Missing the ability to vote
In some gamemodes, this is possible for us, but in Skywars or Eggwars, we cannot vote for gamemodes. I think it would be fun to introduce this to Stone rankers as well, but not all Stone rankers play that long, and thus, some people will vote wrong, and something is needed for Cubecraft to make money, because the server has to run. In an ideal world, that would be no point, but it is not catrastrophic that Stone rankers cannot vote. It does not ruin fun or something. There could be players who do not like a certain level like Overpowered or Basic, but if all Stone rankers could vote, the result would be the same. In addition to that, for most rankers, this is one deciding factor to buy a rank. Because they can vote. On most other servers, normal players cannot vote for gamemodes (normal, overpowered, etc.) too.
Cosmetics
This is where marketing should be targeted to: cosmetics. It should be the deciding factor for buying ranks, although it is not. Normal players get a lot of Cubelets too. Today, it is too easy for normal players to get many cosmetics in my opinion. If we will get less cosmetic rewards, does it matter? It does not ruin gameplay in any way and it is not annoying. Fortnite for example makes exclusively money with cosmetic items, and that works perfectly. It is possible to get a free skin though, but that is more difficult, and receiving cosmetic rewards on Cubecraft should be made more difficult as well. Or make it easier for players with a rank to get cosmetics.
Conclusion
So, the party limit should increase, like on other servers and the friend list limit should increase. We should also get the ability to choose maps again, as previously. I do not really care for cosmetics, so feel free to discuss about that and the ability to vote was always a privilege of players with a rank. On other big, commercial servers, it is also a privilege of players with a rank, so I do not find it such a big deal. It does not ruin gameplay as party limit, friends limit and missing the ability to choose maps. At least, the last point should be changed, as we are not sure if the first things will improve the server. But giving stone rankers the ability to choose maps again, will improve it for sure. A lot of players did not like that and stopped playing Cubecraft instead of buying a rank, thanks to that update.
The problem with the party limit and choosing maps could be solved by just solving one of them. If we could join maps again, I really do not care if I am in a party with friends, as we can just say: 'Join this map, join that map,' etc. Even that is not possible now. It is a kind of luck game where you hope that you join together with your friends if nobody has a rank. And a rank should be after all an extra, not something which is normal and necessary as we already paid for this game.
Rankers could say it is 'scamming' when someone change, but they should actually realise that they are donating and not buying something. Cubecraft sill has the right to remove any feature as is said in the terms. It is after all to keep the server running.
If that update was not implented, more players could have stayed and Cubecraft would have more players than now. Thus there could be more players with a rank.
Feel free to discuss about those topics in this thread and I will, maybe, update this thread with more explanation. After all, have fun playing, whether you do have a rank or not!
In the poll by the way, you can vote for more options together.
Sidenote
The intention of this thread is not to change every privilege of a ranker. It is to change some. I just included all ranker privileges as it would make it more clear and some people could agree/disagree with it. I said what my thoughts are through this thread, so if you disagree with something, please let me know clearly underneath this thread and tell me why.
I was wrong as well as I said.Again, it's just a miscommunication. So it's very unfair of you to say that I'm in the wrong, when we both are. Is it so hard to accept that you're wrong here? I'm just suggesting that next you, you maybe shouldn't note all the points others 'might' think. It's the reason there even was a miscommunication.
How is it wrong of me to disagree with everything, when I clearly said that in my opinion, nothing should be changed. Nor do I want anything similar to it to change. There are no problems with it and it's fine as it is now. Like others mentioned above, the games start faster now. I don't need to add anything to it in my opinion. I'll leave that to your imagination.
I don't want anything to change.
It is maybe ecomic appeals, but the Big Change has brought more negative results than postive ones. It is not true that Cubecraft earns more money now.It’s all about the economic appeal of the ranks. There’s a reason why Stone rankers are limited to that amount of friends and party space. It’s designed so the user is constantly in need of more, which encourages the most frequent users to acquire a rank and upgrade them over time. Your thread is somewhat hyperbolic I’d say, there’s no such thing as discrimination against Stone Rankers, it’s just an additional service that CubeCraft offers for a price.
CubeCraft as a company needs to gain money somehow, and it’s ranks that sum up most of their earnings for the Java Server. Needless to say, 10 friend slots and 3 party spaces is enough to be able to enjoy cubecraft to the fullest. You do not need a 15 player party to have fun in the server. It’s not like any of these limits are impeding the most “fundamental” experiences of the server. Stone rankers still have access to most of the CubeCraft experience.
Having these exclusive features is also extremely important to show gratitude to your customers. Ranked players most probably want to feel special over the rest of players, and it’s CubeCraft’s responsibility to make ranks seem somewhat exclusive so their customers are satisfied with what they bought. The benefits need to be evident.
Edit: The one thing I’d like to see for Iron is map selection. Which was already a thing and got changed after the BigChange and the other lobby overhauls.
You weren't necessarily mentioning that. Again, miscommunication. I will try and stop breathing 'toxicity' in your thread now, as it is not helping you get any further as I see.I was wrong as well as I said.
What you're saying isn't true at all. Yes, Cube might not have gained several thousands of players, but there is definitely an increase. On Java, there is to see that currently on average, there is an amount of 2.5K-3K players online. Please note that this is just an average from my timezone. But when Minecraft became less popular (most likely because Fortnite rose) Cube had around 1K-1.5K. See the difference?Cubecraft does not have more players than before. They have about the same amount of players they had when Fortnite came out.
You weren't necessarily mentioning that. Again, miscommunication. I will try and stop breathing 'toxicity' in your thread now, as it is not helping you get any further as I see.
What you're saying isn't true at all. Yes, Cube might not have gained several thousands of players, but there is definitely an increase. On Java, there is to see that currently on average, there is an amount of 2.5K-3K players online. Please note that this is just an average from my timezone. But when Minecraft became less popular (most likely because Fortnite rose) Cube had around 1K-1.5K. See the difference?
I must honestly thank you for all of your accusations. You're saying that I'm purposely misleading the reader, when I'm most definitely not. You're saying what I'm telling is 'nonsense'. These are false, and mean accusations and opinions. Keep them to yourself, please.Thanks for your replies with saying things as 'you are not true at all'. You must stop with those off-topic replies, for they do not help me or this server. It is just a lie if you say: 'not true at all' and 'You are completely wrong.' Using the words 'completely' and 'at all' are misleading, and you do not use them right. I am not 'completely' wrong. And it is not true that it is is 'not true at all'. Do you see how you mislead the reader by using such sentences?
Frankly, I did not want to reply to nonsense but I am really concerned when people take your comments seriously, this server will not improve thanks to that kind of replies. If you do not reply at the subject, but just at off-topic things to this topic and making it less clear, you could better not answer at all. Just add something to the discussion instead of using sentences you use wrong. Yes, it is true that you 'completely' disagree on that point, and that I am 'completely wrong' at one point, but the words 'completely' and 'at all' should be used when you really mean it that way.
You can see it to the sentence after 'What you're saying isn't true at all. Yes, Cube might not have gained several thousands of players...' The sentence after that continues with a 'but', so I am not wrong when I say that Cubecraft did not have gained several thousands of players like Hypixel. You should learn to reply more professional as those comments are misleading. I hope you can see it, and this is no miscommunication at all. You are actively trying to mislead the reader every time as I see your replies.
Isn’t... that the whole point of buying a rank? If you’re stone and you got all the perks you want, why bother buying a rank? They would lose money.Cubecraft can actually earn more money when they remove some of the ranker's privileges.
Oh yes it does; bedrock.Cubecraft does not have more players than before
Clinging onto how things used to be isn’t always that good. Sometimes change needs to happen in a company, you can’t stick onto the same things/methods for how long the company may last.to change things back as it was in the old days
I’d rather have a couple good games with few bugs than tons of games with tons of bugs. CCG has been short on developers for some time now. Or would you like 20 games that are all as broken as infection?And instead of adding gamemodes, they removed gamemodes
ok this is funny for me XD why? No to racismDiscrimination against stone rankers
i think the limit for stone rank must be 4Party limit
yee, 10 is a low number i think 15 will be enoughtFriends list limit
actualy this is not that usefull, not necesaryMissing the ability to choose maps
no, this is the main reason why people buy ranks, will break the cubecraft economy.Missing the ability to vote
GL getting a Uber without rankCosmetics
I honestly did not mean any harm. I completely understand your point, and I respect your opinion. But next time, just take others' opinions into custody as well. I try my best to understand things from others' perspectives, so really, I understand your point. My apologies if I was a tiny bit rude in what I said. I mean you no harm nor do I want you to get mad over what you and others said.@Hoshiakari I am going to offer excuse. I read my replies back and I conclude I excuse me. I did not expect so many negative replies to my polls and replies while I did put a lot of time in this thread, the most time I ever spent on a thread actually. It made me a bit angry. I hope you understand although you do not have to. I am also 'new' - I was not very active a few years ago when I made this profile, but since a few weeks I am - on the forums, so I do not know what the communis opinio is.
I hope we can go further and I hope we will see eachother under another thread again. You try to improve this server and I thank you for that, because I play sometimes on this server as well.
Bye and have fun playing!
Discrimination against stone rankers
Once, I saw a guy chatting: 'Wie wil er party? Alleen rankers.' or translated: 'Who wants a party invite? I only invite rankers.' We cannot do anything against this of course, but the way the server is made also discriminates stone rankers in a way.
I do not have a rank but still, I play almost every day on this server, whenever I have the time to do so. Sometimes, I play with friends. However, when I play alone or with friends without a rank, I face some difficulties and annoying things, which I think could be easily solved by updating a few things, or to undo some updates that created this problems.
I categorised this thread in different sections, so feel free to read only one and to vote for only one particular problem. This is a mega thread after all.
Party limit
First of all, I want to address the problem that we - as I do not have a rank - cannot invite more than two players into our party. This is an old thread I made about it: https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/party-limit-of-2.207038/#post-1088858
Exactly 1/3 of all respondents says that they want to remove the party limit, I think we should at least increase it, as it is very annoying to join at the same time with a friend, because you have to count down and there is a chance that you do not join the same server actually, so you have to rejoin. After all, it is more difficult to join the same map than it was a few years ago, when we could just choose maps as stone rankers. That way - let's say we are playing Team Skywars - we can choose which map to join. More about that, in the section about the ability to choose maps.
You can say that we have to buy a rank to solve the problem, but there are other servers as well where no party limit is given. With an unlimited party limit, however, there is the possiblity that players invite everyone and such big party's can crash the server, and so on. But, you still have to accept a party invite. And, we can at least increase the amount of players you can invite as a stone ranker, for we will not play with ten players, because the chance that one of them has a rank is big. When you play with three people, the chance is small that one of them has a rank. So, increase it, I would say.
Friends list limit
Another 'problem' that annoys me is that we cannot have more than 10 friends. I do not think that it is a real problem, because you can still invite eachother, you can just not see when a friend joins the server. Some friends are inactive as well, and we can just remove them from our friend list, but again: it is very annoying to keep your friends list up to date. For rankers, it is not a diciding factor to buy a rank. It is only annoying for people without a rank. Even, friendships can be undone because of this, because you will not see it when an old friend joins the server again, and thus, you have to find other ways to contact him or her, but that is not always possible. For example, I have a friend who join the server almost never, but when he does, I ask him how life is going and things, but I had to remove him from my friendlist, simply because I had too much friends, and wanted to keep some space for new friends.
Missing the ability to choose maps
This is a weird point because this was possible a few years ago. Do you remember the signs system, where you had different lobby's for every gamemode? There was a wall with signs where you could choose from. You could choose almost every map. I think the change has something to do with the decreasing popularity of Minecraft at that time, but now, more players are playing Minecraft again, and thus, there is no lack of servers. So we must be able to choose our own maps again. This could be a deciding factor for players to buy a rank, though, but the effect will be small. It is more difficult to join the same map together when the party is full, and it is very annoying to come in a map in Team Skywars where there are teams of five players when you are in a party of only three.
We can also just make it the way it is on some other servers. You can keep the NPC's, but let players choose with how many players they would like to play. Do they want to play 2v2, 3v3 or 4v4 for example? That way, maps are still a ranker's privilege, but it does not ruin gameplay for players without a rank. This would have a very small impact on Cubecraft's finances, so Cubecraft will not shut down thanks to a lack of money.
The NPC's now look professional, but functionality (the signs) is more important. With the solution introduced above, you have a combination of professionality and functionality for stone rankers. @S4nne made a topic about bringing back the old lobby: https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/change-the-main-lobby.226561/
Missing the ability to vote
In some gamemodes, this is possible for us, but in Skywars or Eggwars, we cannot vote for gamemodes. I think it would be fun to introduce this to Stone rankers as well, but not all Stone rankers play that long, and thus, some people will vote wrong, and something is needed for Cubecraft to make money, because the server has to run. In an ideal world, that would be no point, but it is not catrastrophic that Stone rankers cannot vote. It does not ruin fun or something. There could be players who do not like a certain level like Overpowered or Basic, but if all Stone rankers could vote, the result would be the same. In addition to that, for most rankers, this is one deciding factor to buy a rank. Because they can vote. On most other servers, normal players cannot vote for gamemodes (normal, overpowered, etc.) too.
Cosmetics
This is where marketing should be targeted to: cosmetics. It should be the deciding factor for buying ranks, although it is not. Normal players get a lot of Cubelets too. Today, it is too easy for normal players to get many cosmetics in my opinion. If we will get less cosmetic rewards, does it matter? It does not ruin gameplay in any way and it is not annoying. Fortnite for example makes exclusively money with cosmetic items, and that works perfectly. It is possible to get a free skin though, but that is more difficult, and receiving cosmetic rewards on Cubecraft should be made more difficult as well. Or make it easier for players with a rank to get cosmetics.
Conclusion
So, the party limit should increase, like on other servers and the friend list limit should increase. We should also get the ability to choose maps again, as previously. I do not really care for cosmetics, so feel free to discuss about that and the ability to vote was always a privilege of players with a rank. On other big, commercial servers, it is also a privilege of players with a rank, so I do not find it such a big deal. It does not ruin gameplay as party limit, friends limit and missing the ability to choose maps. At least, the last point should be changed, as we are not sure if the first things will improve the server. But giving stone rankers the ability to choose maps again, will improve it for sure. A lot of players did not like that and stopped playing Cubecraft instead of buying a rank, thanks to that update.
The problem with the party limit and choosing maps could be solved by just solving one of them. If we could join maps again, I really do not care if I am in a party with friends, as we can just say: 'Join this map, join that map,' etc. Even that is not possible now. It is a kind of luck game where you hope that you join together with your friends if nobody has a rank. And a rank should be after all an extra, not something which is normal and necessary as we already paid for this game.
Rankers could say it is 'scamming' when someone change, but they should actually realise that they are donating and not buying something. Cubecraft sill has the right to remove any feature as is said in the terms. It is after all to keep the server running.
If that update was not implented, more players could have stayed and Cubecraft would have more players than now. Thus there could be more players with a rank.
Feel free to discuss about those topics in this thread and I will, maybe, update this thread with more explanation. After all, have fun playing, whether you do have a rank or not!
In the poll by the way, you can vote for more options together.
Sidenote
The intention of this thread is not to change every privilege of a ranker. It is to change some. I just included all ranker privileges as it would make it more clear and some people could agree/disagree with it. I said what my thoughts are through this thread, so if you disagree with something, please let me know clearly underneath this thread and tell me why.
That is just kind of a joke, the title, to make it interesting.I just dont get why you call this discrimination against stone rankers..
Its your own choice if you buy a rank or not..
That is just kind of a joke, the title, to make it interesting.