Bedrock UPDATED: Revert and fix the old kb system

[Awabbatt]

The old knockback was horrible, Just like quiet said, I lost a 2:10 eggwars solo world record, the person was LITTERALLY ON THE EDGE and their egg was DESTROYED, I started hitting them like 7 TIMES and there was literally no kb smh.

It feels so good to actually be able to combo people, I dont really understand why anyone would want that old buggy knockback, other than that they dont know how to combo and now get destroyed by other ppl lmao.

plus with the matchmaking, if your on xbox, ps4 or mobile, you dont have a ¨disadvantage¨ since everyone is on the same platform.

If they bring back the ¨buggy¨ knockback ill prob quit cube tbh

Edit : actually I can see why people would want the old kb as they live far from the place cube is hosted (just like me) and with the lag its harder, but thats another topic, (adding N.A servers) (I also get about 300-400 ping on average so dont think im just a person with good internet connection and dosent care about other ppl)

 

[Wave Master7S]

HHAHAHHAAHAHAHHAH

also cubecraft bedrock didn’t exist in 2016 just saying

IT did lol.I played java.

 

[Wave Master7S]

ur sad kid

Just stop starting up beef because it is really not needed here.

 

[QuietMuerte]

I started playing cube a long while before even knowing who you were, using that as an example isn’t really great .
I even said, “the knockback use to be so great” before, slowly after making my change to pc I noticed (around april) KB sliding(the randomized part) started becoming apparent.

Me calling it bad was comparing it to how the KB use to be.

Because it is very fair and easier to understand how the KB system works . I know I’d destroy on it because nobody on cubecraft can actually strafe properly.

That is not why, world pvp was very similar to how cubecraft’s knockback worked before, but with more horizontal KB, and a little hit more vertical KB.

Hive has casual gamemodes, like I said, they have Death Run, Murder Mystery, Hide and Seek, Build Battles. And then they have there Competitive gamemodes like SkyWars, Treasure Wars, and Survival Games.
4/7 are meant for casual gameplay

Cubecraft doesn’t have these things, comparing one servers success to another server that is based more on casual gamplay imo(because more casual gamemodes) is unfair especially going by mobile players.
I am going by most mobile players, like the ones I fight against how are they going to like this? I went into a mobile game and was able to take out FOUR bases in EGGWARS SOLOS before anyone else took out an egg, and never got dropped below half HP in those 4 rush’s. Because well I knew how to play the game compared to them so the kb is more “fair” right?
Why would they like that KB when they are just getting combod all the time? They are on mobile not PC, they probably honestly have default FOV on mobile and have no idea what is happening.



They spent less than a month on KB V2 and released it . There is so much they could’ve done with the KB to make it more fair for everyone.

If your looting a chest your combo’d because too much vertical and not enough horizontal KB.
People with higher ping are easier to keep into the air
People with lower ping can combo higher pinging players more easily brcause since they have high ping, they are closer to the lowering pinging player(server side) than what they are on their own screen. That’s why I liked the old KB, because it gave someone a chance to move around over soft air locking someone.

Read title again “Revert and Fix”
Like I’ve said many times
Who wants to drive a car that has a cracked windshield? I mean I wouldn’t I’ll take one without it. Now you shouldn’t replace the car, ou should replace the windshieldand thens ee if you want to buy a new car. You shouldn’t buy a new one because you broke something you can fix.
AND IT WAS ALSO VOTED ON THE FORUMS, most forum users are someone that play minecraft REGULARLY, I don’t believe some non that plays the server once a week has a forums account here. Why would they? I didn’t know they had a forums or a discord until I started streaming(discord) or when I ran into like 30 hackers and started reporting them.

I believe they should have a poll IN GAME after you play a KB Test match if the player likes it or not(only 1 vote total, not after every match).



Like I said, once you start strafing you walk in a straight line and slowly look up

Tbh don’t see much strafing once the hitting starts happening just becomes straight lining.

the difference I see, is less vertical KB, and a but more horizontal KB.
In other words, air comboing only happens for a few hits and a combo is an actual skillful combo, like getting 15 hits on someone without then hitting you back takes more skill than on combo pvp, just because you can easily hit then in the air from the ground, doesn’t mean they can hit you.

The player model swings from the head, meaning if someone is stacked on a 6 block pillar, they are 5 blocks away from you when you are 6 blocks away from them
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Edit: I have only shared this post in the CubeCraft discord, never once my own. I think I may have shared it in CPG once but I never chat there at all. To say that I sent this to people that would agree with me (you have not, but you said in the discord “I’ll send this to wasps server” that’s why I never direct linked you, this is why I said “It’s in Media” then, to keep the vote more fair and based on other peoples opinions on it

If the knockback “[used] to be so great,” but got worse and worse, why would you want to go back to the knockback that you considered to be bad? Yes, as you said yourself, it is bad in comparison to how it once was, but you are still asking for the knockback to be reverted and “fixed” in a way that you would enjoy. Others might enjoy it as well, but I would say it is fairly even. Some people prefer it while others do not. It will take some time getting used to.

How is world PvP “fair and easier to understand” in comparison to the knockback the server has added now? Then you go on to say “I know I’d destroy on [world PvP on CubeCraft] because nobody on cubecraft can actually strafe properly.” This is absolutely hilarious. For one, the PvP CubeCraft has now has more to do with strafing than world PvP. You just proved my point as far as I am concerned by talking about how you believe “nobody on cubecraft can actually strafe properly.” You prefer world PvP because you believe you are better than everyone else on it. I do not know how players such as Gamenight888, xclutchingg, Zexri lies, lmaowalls, and xraidse--along with countless other players who are considered to be some of the best players on the server--would do on world PvP, but they would definitely out-strafe both you and me on any PvP server. You have told me before that you do not enjoy high knockback servers, and I personally believe this is because you do not excel here. In fact, below is xraidse’s video on the fight you had together. As shown from both his perspective and yours, he out-strafes because overall, while you are not a bad player, he is a better one when it comes to PvP aspects such as aiming and strafing, which is the reason why he beat you. You can not say “nobody on cubecraft can actually strafe” and expect me to take your point seriously because of its absurdity.

You then go on to say the following: “world pvp was very similar to how cubecraft’s knockback worked before, but with more horizontal KB, and a little [bit] more vertical KB.” I would argue that the knockback CubeCraft has now is more similar to world PvP than the “unbroken” old knockback solely based on the fact that you can actually do knockback. You did not respond to the timestamp I provided from your video during which you had to hit a player 11 times when they were within 2 blocks of the edge before you could void him. How is this more similar to world PvP than CubeCraft’s knockback now? The knockback is the same as world PvP apart from the fact that there is a bit more vertical knockback.

I agree with your statement about how Hive is a more casual server than CubeCraft; however, right now, there are 32,373 people on CubeCraft and 33,617 people on Hive. The majority of players on both of these servers are mobile and console players. If mobile players hated the knockback as much as you say they do, wouldn’t the number of people on CubeCraft be a lot less?* I do not think as many players hate the knockback as you make it out to seem. You say “the [mobile players] that you fight against how are they going to like this? I went into a mobile game and was able to take out FOUR bases in EGGWARS SOLOS before anyone took out an egg.” This is why there is input-based matchmaking!! Yes, if games are not filling up fast enough, some mobile players may be put into games with other platforms; however, this does not happen every single time. Mobile players will play the majority of their games against other mobile players, console players will play the majority of their games against console players, and pc players will play the majority of their games against pc players. THIS IS WHAT MAKES THE NEW UPDATE FAIR.

When it comes to fighting in the new knockback, you need skill to be able to put someone into a combo. This is where skill comes into play. Watch the video again and look at how few combos xclutchingg and I put each other in. We strafe, trying to get the other person to miss a hit, because if either of us misses, we become easier to combo. Both of us are good players, but xclutchingg is better because he can aim better than I can, meaning I miss more hits and can be placed into more combos. If you are able to place someone into a combo, you are skillful enough to do so.

At the end of your post, you seem to imply that, by sending your forum post in WaspBrain’s discord server, I was looking for people who agree with me. This is not the case. I posted the poll looking for more people to respond to it, knowing very well that there are active people in the server who prefer the old knockback.

xraidse's fight with realjaycg (both perspectives) - Jay also makes the statement: "If I had the same amount of kb it would be fair," complaining about how unfair the old knockback was - how can you say the knockback is unfair then go back on that? It doesn't really make sense.

*another thing to keep in mind is that these numbers were taken at 12:57 EST in the middle of a school day

 

[Technosword]

Have not read all the replies way too many. However the biggest complaint seems to be it’s hard to succeed with high ping. I personally disagree. I’m a mobile player and have 180-210 ping. I can combo fine and find that knockback isn’t really that random (except lag spikes but I had that before). So personally I disagree with this suggestion.

 

[xcanadiaa]

Do you understand how ping works? Maybe read the whole post about that then

my man ur just bad u got clapped by many including moist1527 and xraidse

 

[DarkStray]

Others might enjoy it as well, but I would say it is fairly even. Some people prefer it while others do not. It will take some time getting used to.

That is completely untrue, cubecraft got so many members with the broken KB system...
So why play it? If it was very similar to that original broken KB like it use to be people wouldn’t hate it if they played cube already.

because nobody on cubecraft can actually strafe properly.

It is easy to understand, the KB, not the strafing. 2 different things.

I would argue that the knockback CubeCraft has now is more similar to world PvP than the “unbroken” old knockback solely based on the fact that you can actually do knockback

Again you started playing when the KB was broke so how could you experience the unbroken one? You haven’t even played the easter map.
I was playing with bisc when we noticed the item swap thing, he came up with that.
This is nothing like world pvp, it’s more likr PmmP, a broken server software that only runs well on a small amount of players.

Pocketmine is broken in so many ways. But the KB is still decent it’s not bad, but it’s bad. Nothing like world pvp and I think that pmmp is closer to world pvp over cubecrafts.

32,373 people on CubeCraft and 33,617

Check peak hours, around 8-10PM UTC
And then since it’s a recent update give it a bit, like in a week

e out FOUR bases in EGGWARS SOLOS before anyone took out an egg.”

This was with ibmm and I was mobile, and I took out 4 eggs, in the time someone broke 1. Yea lol sbmm is better change my mind.

be able to put someone into a combo

No skill to upkeep the combo, because you don’t have to strafe anymore. My strafing on an open area is just like an odd shape and changes depending on what’s happening.

At the end of your post, you seem to imply that, by sending your forum post in WaspBrain’s discord server, I was looking for people who agree with me. This is not the case. I posted the poll looking for more people to respond to it, knowing very well that there are active people in the server who prefer the old knockback.

No matter what you do, having people that are there for you, they are just going to agree with you. I know many of the people in my server would agree with me . Even Nightmare did, he talked to me about it cause he saw my post, not because I told him about it.

Many people will just agree with what someone they kinda look up towards to it’s just normal.
- how can you say the knockback is unfair then go back on that? It doesn't really make sense
I still fail to recognize how you possibly played cubecraft when the kb was fine

 

[xcanadiaa]

That is completely untrue, cubecraft got so many members with the broken KB system...
So why play it? If it was very similar to that original broken KB like it use to be people wouldn’t hate it if they played cube already.

It is easy to understand, the KB, not the strafing. 2 different things.

Again you started playing when the KB was broke so how could you experience the unbroken one? You haven’t even played the easter map.
I was playing with bisc when we noticed the item swap thing, he came up with that.
This is nothing like world pvp, it’s more likr PmmP, a broken server software that only runs well on a small amount of players.

Pocketmine is broken in so many ways. But the KB is still decent it’s not bad, but it’s bad. Nothing like world pvp and I think that pmmp is closer to world pvp over cubecrafts.



Check peak hours, around 8-10PM UTC
And then since it’s a recent update give it a bit, like in a week


This was with ibmm and I was mobile, and I took out 4 eggs, in the time someone broke 1. Yea lol sbmm is better change my mind.

No skill to upkeep the combo, because you don’t have to strafe anymore. My strafing on an open area is just like an odd shape and changes depending on what’s happening.

No matter what you do, having people that are there for you, they are just going to agree with you. I know many of the people in my server would agree with me . Even Nightmare did, he talked to me about it cause he saw my post, not because I told him about it.

Many people will just agree with what someone they kinda look up towards to it’s just normal.
- how can you say the knockback is unfair then go back on that? It doesn't really make sense
I still fail to recognize how you possibly played cubecraft when the kb was fine

jay just drop it i personally doubt they will revert the kb back

 

[DarkStray]

Have not read all the replies way too many. However the biggest complaint seems to be it’s hard to succeed with high ping. I personally disagree. I’m a mobile player and have 180-210 ping. I can combo fine and find that knockback isn’t really that random (except lag spikes but I had that before). So personally I disagree with this suggestion.

Literally at 180 ping when getting combo’d, you are further Way from the lower ping player comboing you on your screen, then you are from them.

I’ve played other games to experience it there too, like if I’m on EU servers on Battlefront playing as maul and use my dash ability people are hitting me from places I shouldn’t get hit.
Same as cubecraft, on my screen I shouldn’t be getting hit because I am too far away on my screen, but on theres I’m right in front of them, because of my ping.

If my pc worked I would have worked on an animation that would explain how this is happening and what it looks like and how it’s unfair for higher pinging players

 

[xcanadiaa]

Literally at 180 ping when getting combo’d, you are further Way from the lower ping player comboing you on your screen, then you are from them.

I’ve played other games to experience it there too, like if I’m on EU servers on Battlefront playing as maul and use my dash ability people are hitting me from places I shouldn’t get hit.
Same as cubecraft, on my screen I shouldn’t be getting hit because I am too far away on my screen, but on theres I’m right in front of them, because of my ping.

If my pc worked I would have worked on an animation that would explain how this is happening and what it looks like and how it’s unfair for higher pinging players

smh i have like 150-200 ping and thats a high ping however i can never relate to you that hates on the new kb

 

[InsaneOrbitzz]

You were the first person to complain about the old knockback.
Now you're the first person to complain about the new knockback.

I'm sure they could add knockback thats amazing and everyone loves it but you would find a way to somehow want it changed.

The majority like the new knockback.
I have a feeling your issue lies more with platform based matchmaking than knockback itself.

Maybe your problem could be facing people on the same platform as you? and not having "easy games" against mobile players?
Just a thought.

 

[Awabbatt]

I agree that its unfair for the higher ping players, but really its because the server is hosted in the EU, which the only way to solve would be to add other servers in other places, (like the hive having 3 different server regions) but I dont think they shouldnt add the new kb because of players lagging, It just dosent make sense imo.

 

[Marieke2001]

How many bug reports and complaints i've seen about the old knockback being extremely unfair due to players lagging....

 

[SuperOrangeOre]

I'm not reading all of that sorry but I assume you dont like the new kb.

I agree that they should have fixed the old kb rather than change it.

I feel a fix to your issue would be to add severs to cubecraft, like the hive :D
I believe the new kb is still a little inconsistent but to straight up want it reverted is a no no.

I'm pretty sure it was you who was the first to complain about randomised kb, and now you are complaining about the new kb and want the randomised one back? How can the server win if you dont like anything they do.

I think the new kb still needs a bit of improving but to say its not better is a lie.

You were the one who wanted the efficiency X pickaxe removed, and that was a massive mistake.
So I just cant agree with this thread.

-1 Sorry.

maybe practice, that's how i got better and used to the pvp.

 

[DarkStray]

Maybe your problem could be facing people on the same platform as you? and not having "easy games" against mobile players?
Just a thought.

They are easier lmao, I’m still failing to see people rushing even on controller.

I'm sure they could add knockback thats amazing and everyone loves it but you would find a way to somehow want it changed.

I wouldn’t the only thingb I complained about then was those very rare chances of people flying across the map, and I was on xbox then. And it happened only twice to me out of the thousand games I played. Once happening to me, once happening to a person I was fighting.

I agree that its unfair for the higher ping players, but really its because the server is hosted in the EU, which the only way to solve would be to add other servers in other places, (like the hive having 3 different server regions) but I dont think they shouldnt add the new kb because of players lagging, It just dosent make sense imo.

It’s still unfair on Hive for me because I have 100 ping

How many bug reports

So why wouldn’t they fix them? And then compare the KB? That’s what I mean about this post. The old KB was meant to lose. No fixes were made for it and eventually the bugs kept getting worse and worse and worse.
Don’t tell me sliding wasn’t a bug because one day everyone was just sliding why was that? It was 3 days before the KB was added to all gamemodes.

 

[Marieke2001]

So why wouldn’t they fix them? And then compare the KB? That’s what I mean about this post. The old KB was meant to lose.

I think they created a completely new knockback system because we had so many complaints. At one point we had 1 post at least every day about knockback. Why not create a completely new one, that can be adjusted after the community got to vote on it? The fact that they did not fix the bugs is because not enough people said that they wanted the old kb in the threads, I suppose

Don’t tell me sliding wasn’t a bug because one day everyone was just sliding why was that? It was 3 days before the KB was added to all gamemodes.

No idea, didn't see any bug reports about it.

 

[DarkStray]

I think they created a completely new knockback system because we had so many complaints. At one point we had 1 post at least every day about knockback. Why not create a completely new one, that can be adjusted after the community got to vote on it? The fact that they did not fix the bugs is because not enough people said that they wanted the old kb in the threads, I suppose


No idea, didn't see any bug reports about it.

They didn’t want the old KB because they thought it was N O R M A L. They were newer players joining cube in the middle of the broken KB
I noticed it breaking around the easter update

I straight up showed story about the sliding
Because he was saying it was a minecraft bug so I showed him this video ->

 

[Awabbatt]

It’s still unfair on Hive for me because I have 100 ping

Maybe its your internet connection. On the hive its sooo smooth no lag whatsoever for me. Its not my internet thats good, I can confirm that cause on cube I get 200-300 ping, on the hive I get 25 or less

 

[SuperOrangeOre]

network adapters should do the trick

 

[DarkStray]

Yea I get 100 ping on hive, and conparing Hives EU server with CubeCraft, cubecraft has the better servers.
That doesn’t mean people “lag less” it’s just how cubecraft allows laggier players to have a smoother experience.
Hive doesn’t have this

And a “smoother” experience =\= less lag, or how far behind you are