I understand, that's why I tagged Cynamooo and asked him to take a look at this thread ;)
Minecraft PC IP: play.cubecraft.net
My point being that Saltys post about the Bedrock community getting 0 attention has been proven here today. I have also mentioned it several times in the past. They actually escalated my idea then unescalated it and shut me down.
Its sad to see and even as a content creator ive experienced it. Most of the staff here have gone against Salty, but these are the staff who only work on Java. Which is a big red flag.
In the past I reported that kb was broken. Three java staff argued against me, as soon as I provided hard proof, they all ignored me. How does that make me feel any better?
I asked a question regarding the community a week ago and I am still yet to receive a reply despite being promised dedicated contact for help.
So how are they meant to know what was said which costed them helper?
I could call someone a football as a joke, you dont know the context behind it and then call me toxic despite it happening 5 years ago.
Helper rank at the moment appears to be more of a training session than a test if that makes sense, you can't see how someone will change and deal with responsibility if you don't give them the chance.
There would be no reason to be responsible or mature until there is a reason to be so.
Its also been said about in the discord quite a bit so that's weird to see... Well at least you know now :D
Oh cmon, the "You're Toxic" card is such an easy play.
I could call someone a football as a joke, you dont know the context behind it and then call me toxic despite it happening 5 years ago.
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If i'm honest it seems to be we are getting no where since you guys just keep denying everything we say, so just as usual I cant be bothered wasting my time trying to help out anymore.
Why cubecraft bedrock is always pushed aside
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Salty_Shadows
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i tried that personally by not being toxic and i tested it by only playing with the same 2 people for 2 months and each time i checked with them if i said a toxic message and they both said no but i kept getting denied for toxic like if i keep getting denied when i try my best whats the point in trying if im just gonna get denied
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We do, in the denial message.
I'm not even on about myself. I know id get denied lmao.
My point being that Saltys post about the Bedrock community getting 0 attention has been proven here today. I have also mentioned it several times in the past. They actually escalated my idea then unescalated it and shut me down.
Its sad to see and even as a content creator ive experienced it. Most of the staff here have gone against Salty, but these are the staff who only work on Java. Which is a big red flag.
In the past I reported that kb was broken. Three java staff argued against me, as soon as I provided hard proof, they all ignored me. How does that make me feel any better?
I asked a question regarding the community a week ago and I am still yet to receive a reply despite being promised dedicated contact for help.
You dont tell them how they were toxic :DWe do, in the denial message.
So how are they meant to know what was said which costed them helper?
I'll be speaking about the recruitment side of this "rant", though it's first of all very clear where this anger is coming from...
Haven't read anything else apart from the original post. Bedrock having less staff is no denial, though us not caring or not putting our focus on Bedrock is completely false. We realized Java was taking over back in September, which is why we implemented our restrictions for Java. A few months later, the auto messages to promote recruitment on Bedrock were implemented and introduced a lot of Bedrock players to the forums and the Helper application.
What seems to be left out, is that recruiting players does not work like shopping in a mall. We can't accept every applicant to boost the Bedrock staff. Having low Bedrock staff is one thing, but it's worse to have more staff members who work counterproductive or do not fit our standards. A team of 4 will still work better and more productive than adding every Bedrock applicant we can find into the team. It'll be a mess. People who learn from their denial reason, accept it and work to be a better version of themselves will be the ones who will make progression. People who get denied and start arguments and drama about how everything is unfair, blaming everything to others without looking at themselves are only digging their own grave.
We are not the ones who "find" Bedrock staff or go on a hunt for them. We offer the position and deal with the applications, but it's the applicants that need to work for it. We can't force people to apply or be something they're not, players need to realize what is expected from them and how they can improve. You can't accept to work in a bank when you've had zero experience with money or maths.
It appears that most of your "rant" is purely your opinion and is not stated anywhere. Nobody says we don't care about Bedrock, nobody says we push good applicants away. It's easy for people to tell us what to do, especially when they get denied, but those people that complain have absolutely no clue about what goes on behind the scenes and how hard and amazing this team works.
Haven't read anything else apart from the original post. Bedrock having less staff is no denial, though us not caring or not putting our focus on Bedrock is completely false. We realized Java was taking over back in September, which is why we implemented our restrictions for Java. A few months later, the auto messages to promote recruitment on Bedrock were implemented and introduced a lot of Bedrock players to the forums and the Helper application.
What seems to be left out, is that recruiting players does not work like shopping in a mall. We can't accept every applicant to boost the Bedrock staff. Having low Bedrock staff is one thing, but it's worse to have more staff members who work counterproductive or do not fit our standards. A team of 4 will still work better and more productive than adding every Bedrock applicant we can find into the team. It'll be a mess. People who learn from their denial reason, accept it and work to be a better version of themselves will be the ones who will make progression. People who get denied and start arguments and drama about how everything is unfair, blaming everything to others without looking at themselves are only digging their own grave.
We are not the ones who "find" Bedrock staff or go on a hunt for them. We offer the position and deal with the applications, but it's the applicants that need to work for it. We can't force people to apply or be something they're not, players need to realize what is expected from them and how they can improve. You can't accept to work in a bank when you've had zero experience with money or maths.
It appears that most of your "rant" is purely your opinion and is not stated anywhere. Nobody says we don't care about Bedrock, nobody says we push good applicants away. It's easy for people to tell us what to do, especially when they get denied, but those people that complain have absolutely no clue about what goes on behind the scenes and how hard and amazing this team works.
We leave feedback on every single application.
People should be able to know what they did and be able to self-reflect. If you don't know what is and isn't toxic, you're not ready to be staff.
A new application doesn't mean you have a clean sheet. Past behaviour still is relevant. It also is not an excuse, it's a denial since you don't meet our standards.
Oh cmon, the "You're Toxic" card is such an easy play.
I could call someone a football as a joke, you dont know the context behind it and then call me toxic despite it happening 5 years ago.
SO you guys want every staff to be perfect keep doing that you’ll get no staff.Perfection is literally impossible and there must be some error just don’t be that strict on bedrock applications.
Salty_Shadows
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i can back this up as well as times where ive joked around with people in lobby and we joked about each other that was apparently toxic which makes no sense if u dont know context
That's not Necessarily what they mean,
Helper rank at the moment appears to be more of a training session than a test if that makes sense, you can't see how someone will change and deal with responsibility if you don't give them the chance.
There would be no reason to be responsible or mature until there is a reason to be so.
You don't and can't know whether this is the reason.
I never said this. No-one is perfect, I make mistakes all the time. What I said is we expect our staff to meet our standards, which include not saying questionable things.
How are we supposed to figure out context? Also, in general we don't deny someone for one toxic word.
That's my point exactly. How you meant to deny them for being toxic if you dont know the context? But if you tell them how exactly it was they were toxic, they can simply give you the context...
Exactly, theres no other way to deal with this you cant have 4 staff. If they want people to be perfect, then i dont think thats possible on bedrock since people arent engaged in the forums or stuff. I dont think they should be That strict on bedrock applications for java okay maybe
I just copy pasted my reply from your bug report: "Hi, this issue has already been reported and forwarded, but thanks for taking the time to report this issue! ^-^- Marieke2001". Why would I double forward a bug to our developer team? If this was a game breaking issue, like the nether taking ages to load for SkyBlock, I would poke a dev about this after a few days or weeks (depening on the amount of reports). This is a bug where pits captured is showing incorrect. This does not affect anyone, nor does it affect the game. It's just an incorrect number so the priority to fix this is way less high than more game breaking bugs.
This has never been reported, so I have never forwarded it. We never refuse to fix bugs, but you need to report them before we can take any action.
Unfortunately this is not possible due to highly sensitive information which I obviously can't share. I can take a few days to reply to a bug report, but this is only because I have a work, school and internship scheduele which takes up 40 hours a week. If a bug is really game breaking and important to get fixed asap, it'll be forwarded trough staff-help. RedNed also checks the bug report section quite often and fixes/forwards important bugs. I rather have one person handling the bug reports for bedrock, as having multiple people causes more confusion on what has been reported and what not + we don't really need 2 bedrock mods as I can easily go trough all the bug reports at the end of the week.
Not known for me, as it hasn't been reported, so it's not on our bugs list.
We expect some self reflect from applicants. We want to see if players can find issues within themselves, not out of themselves, blaming others. If you got denied for being toxic, we want an applicant/helper to self reflect on their past behavior and actions and keep this in their mind with every on-the-edge message they type.
I'm pretty sure I mentioned the bug in my video about Cubecraft. In which some of the staff said they watched the whole thing... So either I forgot that part or they may have missed it.
Its also been said about in the discord quite a bit so that's weird to see... Well at least you know now :D
Just gonna copy paste what I said earlier tbh.
Oh cmon, the "You're Toxic" card is such an easy play.
I could call someone a football as a joke, you dont know the context behind it and then call me toxic despite it happening 5 years ago.
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If i'm honest it seems to be we are getting no where since you guys just keep denying everything we say, so just as usual I cant be bothered wasting my time trying to help out anymore.
This is not even close to enough information though. I'd need at least video evidence + some explanation
thats basically exactly what happened to me. I was excited when I saw my application put into considering in December, but just earlier today it was denied because of "inappropriate and unacceptable chat behavior". I've been kind of stressing about this all day because I seriously cannot remember a time i was ever "inappropriate or unacceptable". I really don't care that I got denied, I saw it coming, but the fact that they gave no evidence doesn't help me improve at all.
No you don't. I was told I was "inappropriate and unacceptable", but I was given no evidence and I honestly cannot remember a time this happened.We do, in the denial message.
Salty_Shadows
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That is indeed true, we have bedrock mainly moderators, i can assure you they are not toxic, as well as most community members, they are not toxic, but if we deny someone, we always have a good reason. We do not say exactly what was said because it's private info, and even if it wasn't, we don't think toxicity is subjective at all. We expect you to know if you are toxic, which honestly isn't too much to ask.
We do not only check a month back, we usually check multiple months. One month simply isn't enough to change like that, and i think this thread shows it.
I don't really understand why this was said to be honest. Do you genuinely think we want the server to be filled with cheaters? It feels like an unnecessary and intentionally misleading euphemism just to make your argument more compelling. We also don't act like an exclusive club where we deny people just because we want to. We want more people, otherwise our applications wouldn't be open, and we are always hiring new helpers, for both java and bedrock. Yes, there are fewer bedrock moderators than java, but the criteria we apply are even more lenient for bedrock, since we need more people there so bad, but one thing we are never flexible on is toxicity. You can have 10 000 reports and be the most active person ever, if you are toxic and childish we won't accept you ever.
We can assure you we do care, but as you said a lot of our mods are java only or java mainly, so a lot of them are not able to answer the more complicated questions simply because they are not that familiar with bedrock, so it's normal that it takes a while to respond while they ask/ go get someone else to answer.
That means the bedrock playerbase is bigger, so we have more concerns and issues followed our way, but our staff team is simply not well equipped enough to deal with so many bedrock issues. We can't just "hire more devs", qualified devs are not cheap and not easy to find, so this "MORE" atitude doesn't really work. The same applies for moderators. Even if we are volunteers, it doesn't mean we accept anyone. There are things that we will never tolerate, and that includes toxicity, so once again "just get more helpers" isn't really a solution, we are already trying that.
We give out the reason why people get denied on the denial message, if we feel that the applicant hasn't improved or some other concern popped up since then, we deny. If we deny someone for being toxic and they keep being toxic, i don't know why they would feel entitled to an acceptance.
I believe "Being well known" does not fall under the minimum requirements, and it's not a "free helper card" you can use. Being well known does not mean you are a good fit for the team.
I can guarantee you that is at best a misrepresentation of facts. As someone on the recruitment team, i can assure you we deal with applications at the same time, regardless of platform.
We closed Java applications for Dutch and Spanish speakers in Europe for that exact reason, we don't need that many anymore. I don't know why you criticize something that we have already took measures to reduce without even acknowledging we tried to fix it.
If for example, you say "L ez noob" multiple times in a day, in multiple days, or swear multiple times in a few weeks, i think it's more than clear than it's not a joke, either that or you have a rather weird sense of humor.
