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Most of the time this kit is picked and most of the time the same sword is the reason you win some fights, and maybe even the whole match.
Imo, kits shouldn't be the ticket to winning a game.
I've loved this kit, and it made me actually love voting Normal Mode.
When I first started playing Sky Wars, I would always vote OP. Yet, I'd barely ever win.
Once this kit was noticed, I started using it in OP. It didn't help much.
I saw more and more good players start to play on the server, all using the swordsman kit and voting Normal, so I started to do that.
It has helped me grow so much in PVP. I love this kit. If it were changed, I'd most definitely stop playing Sky Wars.
So, I hope they don't change it.
Yes it's fun, but that's because it's overpowered compared to all of the other kits. You like it because it's so powerful.
Balancing kits
- Thread starter Efcluke94
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My short essay on kit balance:
If you had asked me, say, 1 year ago whether the kits are balanced, I would scream "NO" for ages. After a lot of games though, I can proudly say that I have found the meta, abused it, and switched to a more positive answer. The current most used kit is, as everyone knows, the fisherman. JK, you know what I am talking about, the iron thing that carries games on its own. The swordsman provides the *best* sword in the game since the very beginning, for free. It deters rushes, can be used for rushing on its own and many more! As someone above me said, it is the best kit. For now. As everyone would like to see more viable kits, I will post my thoughts on the subject with balance for each kit. (I will make an entire skywars guide after the update)> Right now we see OP kits, and UP kits. Nothing in between. My most important input will be: don't nerf a kit based solely on the amount of people who use it. This will bring down most kits to tier chicken after a few updates.
Swordsman: Sharp 1 instead of 2: The proposed stone sharp 2 is too fragile(only about 150 uses) while providing a similar damage output. This kit will give a free sword of high class, while not breaking everything with the 7.5 damage we have seen. A stone sharp 2 unbreaking 1 is also a good idea, keep this in mind.
Blacksmith: some XP bottles and a better helmet(iron) is what it needs, because right now, you are stuck with a useless helmet and... nothing else.
Enchanter: a reduction of the XP bottles and lapis provided is probably the best idea to keep the "passive" feel to the kit, while not making it a late-game changer. Maybe 48 bottles and 24 lapis?
Lumberjack: this kit is totally fine
Archer: either a power 1 bow, or more arrows. No one ever uses it, so it needs a slight buff, considering that bows and arrows are common loot.
Chicken: add a leather chestplate? Never used it, but I saw it once on sundae. Kind of useless unless you add a full ench dia armor...
Scout: The kit is fine as it is
Miner: Adding ore to this kit will make it waaaaay too slow to pay off in a real game. My best bet is giving it a better pickaxe(diamond eff 1 maybe)
Spiderman: Leaping potion as people suggested. Won't affect much the balance itself, but it will make you able to jump over the webs, so why not?
Iron golem: A balanced kit, this is the ~~~ cutoff between a good and a bad kit.
Fisherman: Luck of the sea 3 rod with unbreaking, you can get some nice loot while out of combat.
Bomber: A nice troll kit, keep it like that.
Joker: I would like it removed, too many teamkillers with it. Discuss!
Redstone master: 4 pistons and 3 slimeballs instead of the 1 sticky it currently has. The traps will be bigger and harder to spot.
Well that's it I guess, I will refer a lot more to balance after the patch, because we will see a lot more people choosing non-standard kits (literally anything that isn't swordsman).
If you had asked me, say, 1 year ago whether the kits are balanced, I would scream "NO" for ages. After a lot of games though, I can proudly say that I have found the meta, abused it, and switched to a more positive answer. The current most used kit is, as everyone knows, the fisherman. JK, you know what I am talking about, the iron thing that carries games on its own. The swordsman provides the *best* sword in the game since the very beginning, for free. It deters rushes, can be used for rushing on its own and many more! As someone above me said, it is the best kit. For now. As everyone would like to see more viable kits, I will post my thoughts on the subject with balance for each kit. (I will make an entire skywars guide after the update)> Right now we see OP kits, and UP kits. Nothing in between. My most important input will be: don't nerf a kit based solely on the amount of people who use it. This will bring down most kits to tier chicken after a few updates.
Swordsman: Sharp 1 instead of 2: The proposed stone sharp 2 is too fragile(only about 150 uses) while providing a similar damage output. This kit will give a free sword of high class, while not breaking everything with the 7.5 damage we have seen. A stone sharp 2 unbreaking 1 is also a good idea, keep this in mind.
Blacksmith: some XP bottles and a better helmet(iron) is what it needs, because right now, you are stuck with a useless helmet and... nothing else.
Enchanter: a reduction of the XP bottles and lapis provided is probably the best idea to keep the "passive" feel to the kit, while not making it a late-game changer. Maybe 48 bottles and 24 lapis?
Lumberjack: this kit is totally fine
Archer: either a power 1 bow, or more arrows. No one ever uses it, so it needs a slight buff, considering that bows and arrows are common loot.
Chicken: add a leather chestplate? Never used it, but I saw it once on sundae. Kind of useless unless you add a full ench dia armor...
Scout: The kit is fine as it is
Miner: Adding ore to this kit will make it waaaaay too slow to pay off in a real game. My best bet is giving it a better pickaxe(diamond eff 1 maybe)
Spiderman: Leaping potion as people suggested. Won't affect much the balance itself, but it will make you able to jump over the webs, so why not?
Iron golem: A balanced kit, this is the ~~~ cutoff between a good and a bad kit.
Fisherman: Luck of the sea 3 rod with unbreaking, you can get some nice loot while out of combat.
Bomber: A nice troll kit, keep it like that.
Joker: I would like it removed, too many teamkillers with it. Discuss!
Redstone master: 4 pistons and 3 slimeballs instead of the 1 sticky it currently has. The traps will be bigger and harder to spot.
Well that's it I guess, I will refer a lot more to balance after the patch, because we will see a lot more people choosing non-standard kits (literally anything that isn't swordsman).
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Balancing kits
Swordsman and the iron golem kit currently dominate SkyWars. A kit shouldn't give you this huge of an advantage and these need to be nerfed. Also are there any kits you would like to see removed and just think, this is useless what is the point of it!?
Agreed
Community Staff suggested changes
Swordsman - Stone sword with sharp 2
If kit tank (iron golem) will be what it says it will be, then I totaly agree, kits need to be more fair instead of being guided by 2 single kits.
Tank - Iron chestplate, chain leggings
As I said if kit swordsman will be the same as it says it will be, then I would love to see this.
Enchantment - less exp bottles (only 32) and less lapiz (only 16)
Indeed it might be too OP but that depends on what weapon you have to enchant because don't forget you ain't got no armor so if you wanna make the kits a bit more fair I would've added a chain chestplate with protection 1 in this kit. If so then it would be a great kit to me.
Blacksmith - add exp bottles to this kit (32 as well) and replace the chainmail helmet with a diamond helmet
Would love to see this one too
Bomber - add golden boots with blast protection II and feather falling I, increase amount of TNT to 12 or 16, change string from 3 to 5, change redstone from 5 to 10
Yeah, I've seen a lot of people trying to go to mid with this kit and if it fails but there's still ground this kit will help a lot.
Redstone master - add a normal piston and redstone comparator.
I guess this is the "trap" kit? Never really used this one but if this kit if based on traps then maybe 3 normal pistons?
Chicken - add a chicken hat to this kit, iron leggings and reduce the amount of eggs to 32.
Would love to see someone with a chicken on his face :') The armor seems really fair to me but for the eggs I might got another idea. Why not putting 32 eggs in his 5 (4th in Java Language) hotbar and it will fill (1 egg per 2 seconds). Would be fun. (change the delay time if you think this is too OP or too weak tho)
Digger - Add 1 diamond ore, 8 iron ore and 5 coal ore. The kit already has an enchanted pickaxe and they’ll be able to get some gear/weaponry from mining the ores and smelting them.
Seems quite fair to me, although I do not get the point of 1 diamond ore, why nor making it 2 for a sword?
Fisherman - Add unbreaking 3 and luck of the sea 3 to the rod and add a water bucket to the kit
I've never realy knew the point of this kit, so I will agree with this although I don't really know what to do with this kit so this will proably be one of the weakest I guess.
Builder - add a wooden sword.
It's indeed way better. But why not adding just 5 more extra blocks (bricks)
Noobly - add some armour to this kit like leather chestplate and pants.
Yes please :c
Scout - this kit is completely fine.
Agreed
Lumberjack - Add efficiency 3 to the axe.
Well this kit was not strong at all so adding this is the least you could do.
Archer - Adding a chain chestplate with projectile protection 2.
Maybe a normal chain legging would be good too
Pyromaniac - Adding a fire resistance potion of 1 minute and 30 seconds
Good thinking with the theme of the kit (fire) Agreed
Joker - Changing 3 tnt to 8 tnt and adding a redstone block and 3 wooden pressure plates
Perfect just only maybe a head of the joker would make it really awesome
Spiderman - Add a 1:30 jump boost potion.
What about the ability to climb too? IF that's even posible to create in a plugin, because as far as I know it's only posible in hacked clients but it would be awesome to see.
Swordsman and the iron golem kit currently dominate SkyWars. A kit shouldn't give you this huge of an advantage and these need to be nerfed. Also are there any kits you would like to see removed and just think, this is useless what is the point of it!?
Agreed
Community Staff suggested changes
Swordsman - Stone sword with sharp 2
If kit tank (iron golem) will be what it says it will be, then I totaly agree, kits need to be more fair instead of being guided by 2 single kits.
Tank - Iron chestplate, chain leggings
As I said if kit swordsman will be the same as it says it will be, then I would love to see this.
Enchantment - less exp bottles (only 32) and less lapiz (only 16)
Indeed it might be too OP but that depends on what weapon you have to enchant because don't forget you ain't got no armor so if you wanna make the kits a bit more fair I would've added a chain chestplate with protection 1 in this kit. If so then it would be a great kit to me.
Blacksmith - add exp bottles to this kit (32 as well) and replace the chainmail helmet with a diamond helmet
Would love to see this one too
Bomber - add golden boots with blast protection II and feather falling I, increase amount of TNT to 12 or 16, change string from 3 to 5, change redstone from 5 to 10
Yeah, I've seen a lot of people trying to go to mid with this kit and if it fails but there's still ground this kit will help a lot.
Redstone master - add a normal piston and redstone comparator.
I guess this is the "trap" kit? Never really used this one but if this kit if based on traps then maybe 3 normal pistons?
Chicken - add a chicken hat to this kit, iron leggings and reduce the amount of eggs to 32.
Would love to see someone with a chicken on his face :') The armor seems really fair to me but for the eggs I might got another idea. Why not putting 32 eggs in his 5 (4th in Java Language) hotbar and it will fill (1 egg per 2 seconds). Would be fun. (change the delay time if you think this is too OP or too weak tho)
Digger - Add 1 diamond ore, 8 iron ore and 5 coal ore. The kit already has an enchanted pickaxe and they’ll be able to get some gear/weaponry from mining the ores and smelting them.
Seems quite fair to me, although I do not get the point of 1 diamond ore, why nor making it 2 for a sword?
Fisherman - Add unbreaking 3 and luck of the sea 3 to the rod and add a water bucket to the kit
I've never realy knew the point of this kit, so I will agree with this although I don't really know what to do with this kit so this will proably be one of the weakest I guess.
Builder - add a wooden sword.
It's indeed way better. But why not adding just 5 more extra blocks (bricks)
Noobly - add some armour to this kit like leather chestplate and pants.
Yes please :c
Scout - this kit is completely fine.
Agreed
Lumberjack - Add efficiency 3 to the axe.
Well this kit was not strong at all so adding this is the least you could do.
Archer - Adding a chain chestplate with projectile protection 2.
Maybe a normal chain legging would be good too
Pyromaniac - Adding a fire resistance potion of 1 minute and 30 seconds
Good thinking with the theme of the kit (fire) Agreed
Joker - Changing 3 tnt to 8 tnt and adding a redstone block and 3 wooden pressure plates
Perfect just only maybe a head of the joker would make it really awesome
Spiderman - Add a 1:30 jump boost potion.
What about the ability to climb too? IF that's even posible to create in a plugin, because as far as I know it's only posible in hacked clients but it would be awesome to see.
This is a very late reply, but I think I want to express my opinion on this.
Swordsman - Stone sword with sharp 2
Please, please, please, keep this kit the same. It will ruin the whole fact of Normal Mode, and many, MANY, good players will be outraged.
Tank - Iron chestplate, chain leggings
I personally don't like this kit, but maybe add an iron helmet as well?
Enchantment - less exp bottles (only 32) and less lapiz (only 16)
In my opinion, using your resources in Sky Wars is a good tactic. For instance, the original Enchantment kit. A lot of players have used it for YouTube challenges, or just challenges in general, to get a knockback sword or something else.
Blacksmith - add exp bottles to this kit (32 as well) and replace the chainmail helmet with a diamond helmet
I've never used this kit before, so I'm okay with whatever.
Bomber - add golden boots with blast protection II and feather falling I, increase amount of TNT to 12 or 16, change string from 3 to 5, change redstone from 5 to 10
Yes, yes, yes! I love doing TNT jumping, so this will help so much. I know some other people, as in @Yoya, will also like this, since it can also be used for traps.
Redstone master - add a normal piston and redstone comparator.
I'll love this.
Chicken - add a chicken hat to this kit, iron leggings and reduce the amount of eggs to 32.
Alright, now I've never used this kit before, I really just want to use the Chicken Hat. XD
Digger - Add 1 diamond ore, 8 iron ore and 5 coal ore. The kit already has an enchanted pickaxe and they’ll be able to get some gear/weaponry from mining the ores and smelting them.
Won't this be more of an advantage to the one achievement, I can't remember what it is called, to mine/have 15/16 diamonds?
Fisherman - Add unbreaking 3 and luck of the sea 3 to the rod and add a water bucket to the kit
A lot of people now play on the newer version of MineCraft, and I personally don't like the fishing rod as people do try to spam it and it creates a lot of lag.
Builder - add a wooden sword.
Uh. Sure.
Noobly - add some armour to this kit like leather chestplate and pants.
I've never used this, so I'm okay with whatever.
Scout - this kit is completely fine.
A, OKAY!
Lumberjack - Add efficiency 3 to the axe.
I've also never used this, so, yeah.
Archer - Adding a chain chestplate with projectile protection 2.
I personally hate bow spammers, and I know that is rude to say, but they just get under my skin a bit, and I don't think this will help.
Pyromaniac - Adding a fire resistance potion of 1 minute and 30 seconds
Sure?
Joker - Changing 3 tnt to 8 tnt and adding a redstone block and 3 wooden pressure plates
YES! More traps! Woohoo!
Spiderman - Add a 1:30 jump boost potion.
Omg, this will be fun. XD
In my opinion, I'd prefer all and any kits to be changed except for the Swordsman. I love that kit, and a lot of other people do as well, and I think it will break a lot of Sky Wars' players to see it be changed to a stone sword.
Swordsman - Stone sword with sharp 2
Please, please, please, keep this kit the same. It will ruin the whole fact of Normal Mode, and many, MANY, good players will be outraged.
Tank - Iron chestplate, chain leggings
I personally don't like this kit, but maybe add an iron helmet as well?
Enchantment - less exp bottles (only 32) and less lapiz (only 16)
In my opinion, using your resources in Sky Wars is a good tactic. For instance, the original Enchantment kit. A lot of players have used it for YouTube challenges, or just challenges in general, to get a knockback sword or something else.
Blacksmith - add exp bottles to this kit (32 as well) and replace the chainmail helmet with a diamond helmet
I've never used this kit before, so I'm okay with whatever.
Bomber - add golden boots with blast protection II and feather falling I, increase amount of TNT to 12 or 16, change string from 3 to 5, change redstone from 5 to 10
Yes, yes, yes! I love doing TNT jumping, so this will help so much. I know some other people, as in @Yoya, will also like this, since it can also be used for traps.
Redstone master - add a normal piston and redstone comparator.
I'll love this.
Chicken - add a chicken hat to this kit, iron leggings and reduce the amount of eggs to 32.
Alright, now I've never used this kit before, I really just want to use the Chicken Hat. XD
Digger - Add 1 diamond ore, 8 iron ore and 5 coal ore. The kit already has an enchanted pickaxe and they’ll be able to get some gear/weaponry from mining the ores and smelting them.
Won't this be more of an advantage to the one achievement, I can't remember what it is called, to mine/have 15/16 diamonds?
Fisherman - Add unbreaking 3 and luck of the sea 3 to the rod and add a water bucket to the kit
A lot of people now play on the newer version of MineCraft, and I personally don't like the fishing rod as people do try to spam it and it creates a lot of lag.
Builder - add a wooden sword.
Uh. Sure.
Noobly - add some armour to this kit like leather chestplate and pants.
I've never used this, so I'm okay with whatever.
Scout - this kit is completely fine.
A, OKAY!
Lumberjack - Add efficiency 3 to the axe.
I've also never used this, so, yeah.
Archer - Adding a chain chestplate with projectile protection 2.
I personally hate bow spammers, and I know that is rude to say, but they just get under my skin a bit, and I don't think this will help.
Pyromaniac - Adding a fire resistance potion of 1 minute and 30 seconds
Sure?
Joker - Changing 3 tnt to 8 tnt and adding a redstone block and 3 wooden pressure plates
YES! More traps! Woohoo!
Spiderman - Add a 1:30 jump boost potion.
Omg, this will be fun. XD
In my opinion, I'd prefer all and any kits to be changed except for the Swordsman. I love that kit, and a lot of other people do as well, and I think it will break a lot of Sky Wars' players to see it be changed to a stone sword.
Gainfullterror
Forum Professional
I, as a good player, would love this to be changed.
Most of the time this kit is picked and most of the time the same sword is the reason you win some fights, and maybe even the whole match.
Imo, kits shouldn't be the ticket to winning a game.
I disagree.
I've loved this kit, and it made me actually love voting Normal Mode.
When I first started playing Sky Wars, I would always vote OP. Yet, I'd barely ever win.
Once this kit was noticed, I started using it in OP. It didn't help much.
I saw more and more good players start to play on the server, all using the swordsman kit and voting Normal, so I started to do that.
It has helped me grow so much in PVP. I love this kit. If it were changed, I'd most definitely stop playing Sky Wars.
So, I hope they don't change it.
Gainfullterror
Forum Professional
Yet that is because it's incredibly unbalanced. It's the strongest weapon in normal mode without enchanting tables, and it basically makes rushing always work since you can get to another island before they can even loot their chests.
Yes it's fun, but that's because it's overpowered compared to all of the other kits. You like it because it's so powerful.
Please leave the kits the way it is. And okay, swordsman and iron golem are maybe too good, but that's fine, the kit isn't cheap to buy.
i totaly agree , the JOKER kit is like i wanted with all of the trapps but i dont know if i would agree with that stone sword sharpness 2
I like all the balances, but I don't like the swordsman balance.
This is because I paid 1200 points (when I bought the kit it cost 1200 points).
The kit is a kind of a reward for the points you have saved.
I think it's the PvP kit for the professional or the beginning PvP'ers.
But.... Just balance the kits if you want to, I won't have problems with it xD!
This is because I paid 1200 points (when I bought the kit it cost 1200 points).
The kit is a kind of a reward for the points you have saved.
I think it's the PvP kit for the professional or the beginning PvP'ers.
But.... Just balance the kits if you want to, I won't have problems with it xD!
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