Bedrock Community Feedback: Platform-Specific Games

[ItzEnd3r]

That’s not true win10 players can be casual too.
Heres an example, I am on XBOX with a Controller. This player is on Win10, so either m&k or a Controller as well. They are in 3/4th Iron gear while I’m in full leather. I 5 hearted them as a controller player, with a significant gear disadvantage, in armor and sword.

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ok, im going to stop arguing this as it really isnt getting anywhere, but the main point is yes, there are exceptions, but you shouldnt discount everyone elses opinon because the minority has a stronger voice and will argue it. i will be the first to say that it will make the game much harder for PC players, but honestly that is a trade that i think is worth it for the community and the server, the minority that plays at a very competitive level will not be helped by an update like this, but for everyone else, those who are not in the 1% it will greatly improve the quality of gameplay

 

[DarkStray]

both are solo skywars, except the bedrock record is almost 8x as much! its not making the game less fun for

Keep in mind that Java is much smaller please, currently there is 8x(8.6667) the amount of players on bedrock playing right now, thats almost exactly the same amount the KD/w/l is

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[Wave Master7S]

Can we stop arguing this is kinda cringe Andy annoying instead of causing unnecessary drama ho about we explain it peacefully.

 

[wxzzrd]

Also why are u ignoring the knockback @rubik_cube_man ? Because if it is all pc players there won’t be a lot of skill just trading hits and if we could combo it would be a lot more fun, it feels to me like you just completely dropped the whole knockback thing, I wouldn’t be so annoyed if there was actually knockback that had skill involved

 

[Younisco]

Also why are u ignoring the knockback @rubik_cube_man ? Because if it is all pc players there won’t be a lot of skill just trading hits and if we could combo it would be a lot more fun, it feels to me like you just completely dropped the whole knockback thing, I wouldn’t be so annoyed if there was actually knockback that had skill involved

This problem was something that has stemmed from the knockback changes as well. Because we're essentially increasing both horizontal and vertical knockback, the tendency to combo anyone has increased. With this, mobile players will now find it even more difficult to combat PC users, because, as you'd imagine, CPS and accuracy is now a larger factor to winning games and killing players. Playing on a phone vs. a PC player has such a negative downside, I'd honestly be surprised if phone players can hit a PC player more than twice.

 

[Wave Master7S]

we may be java mains, but for someone like me i have been completely pushed away from bedrock because as a mobile player its just not enjoyable. also notice that almost everyone who voted no is a pc player? thats because they have the advantage right now, and a change like this will make the game more difficult for them. Mobile players are a massive part of the servers demographic and shouldnt be ignored because you want to continue getting easy wins against people who dont have the ability to be as good completely due to their input device.

Actually not really most really good controller or mobile.

 

[wxzzrd]

This problem was something that has stemmed from the knockback changes as well. Because we're essentially increasing both horizontal and vertical knockback, the tendency to combo anyone has increased. With this, mobile players will now find it even more difficult to combat PC users, because, as you'd imagine, CPS and accuracy is now a larger factor to winning games and killing players. Playing on a phone vs. a PC player has such a negative downside, I'd honestly be surprised if phone players can hit a PC player more than twice.

Yea I tried the kb on my iPad and I 7 hit combined some one off my island at half a heart with no sword, so...
and also I would recommend actually implementing the knockback before implementing something that would stem from this problem, or at least now that you’ve separated people, try and get the knockback on because people’s main gripe is on.
Also is the matchmaking now on all games or is it still ok experimental only?

 

[Wave Master7S]

Yea I tried the kb on my iPad and I 7 hit combined some one off my island at half a heart with no sword, so...
and also I would recommend actually implementing the knockback before implementing something that would stem from this problem, or at least now that you’ve separated people, try and get the knockback on because people’s main gripe is on.
Also is the matchmaking now on all games or is it still ok experimental only?

Only experimental.

 

[juliusvdl]

When I first did any pvp related thing on minecraft, I tried hypixel duels. I got destroyed by everyone. I also tried hypixel skywars, also got destroyed by everyone. So i had the idea of getting bedrock edition as it was easier. And it was way more suitable for me (a beginning pc player) but i was still really really bad. Cubecraft bedrock is literally the reason why im even decent at pvp in general. I enjoyed it so much more because it wasnt as crazy sweaty like java edition. And because i enjoyed it, i got played more and more and overtime slowly got better. These platform specific games would also make it way harder for beginning pc players. Not all pc players are sweaty, i even think that the beginners are mobile player level bad. In conclusion, i just dont want cubecraft bedrock to become like java edition since that was the reason i started playing in the first place.

 

[juliusvdl]

A ranked mode would solve this problem and allow for cross platform play.

 

[Wave Master7S]

It makes it fair for everyone, mobile and controller are a more casual experience. so if you want to just play for fun most do it on those platforms. and PC is in general much more competitive (like java, when everyone is competing based on skill and knowledge instead of what input device they are using) it makes the game more interesting and doesnt ruin it for the people who just want to have fun. also im pretty sure this isnt about the money marketplace is the moneymaker for cube and this is much more about expanding the playerbase and community by making the game enjoyable for all platforms, not just pc players

Well actually there’s lots of sweaty consoles and mobile examples me Pioussteak38010 destroyer110606 VeryCornet2983 realjaycg UniformDust I’m Mega thic and more.Consoles are a lot closer to pc then mobile.



All consoles or mobile see consoles and mobiles can be sweaty and really good.So why is console included it’s not really casual play because consoles are pretty good most Java’s think consoles are causal but in reality it’s not true the “Console” players java confuses with are


Also why are you voting no when you don’t even play it’s like going to them we need the bedrock opinions not java players because you know it won’t effect you and will badly hurt good consoles and mobile or causal PCs.

Also a house separated by itself can’t stand.

This will be my last post on this thread because I think I might be like farming or message.

 

[ProfParzival]

Firstly: Serious question..... Are you then going to separate leaderboards out along the demarcs you've made eg, Controller Only Leaderboard, KBM Only Leaderboard, Mobile Only Leaderboard. It seems very odd that you could end up with players on leaderboards that could never even meet in a game.

Secondly: Please consider not rolling it out everywhere until you have a solution for private games / custom servers or you'll likely kill off stream sniping to a great extent. Stream sniping may only be something you tolerate but don't care too much for but there is a decent, active and growing community on bedrock that participates in it with Streamers like FPSaltyRaccoon, PhilSwift76, (both of these stream almost every day) RelatedNoobs, RealJayCG, QuietMuerte, FXVoidz and a number of others that have decent and growing followings... I'd imagine it's in cubecrafts interest to help foster the growing streamer / youtuber communities rather than kill them off. I only realised yesterday that you'd rolled out the new system when I repeatedly failed to get into a snipe on the new kb then it dawned on me I'm controller and the streamer was kb/mouse.... most will just simply have no clue why they're not able to get in a streamers game or indeed into the same solos game as a friend for example.

Lastly, if you do go ahead and implement something like this then I really support the idea of being able to switch it off and make it optional with a default on rather than compulsory. If a controller player or a mobile player WANTS to play against KBM then they really should be able to. I would imagine anyone that's on a leaderboard will want to switch the setting off and be up against players on all platforms / input system; it's the diversity of levels, playing styles, techniques, quirks, differences etc that you come up against that helps you become a better player IMHO. If mobile players can only ever play mobile players they'll not have a clue how to battle PC / KBM players and never have a need to learn how.... I think that while those that only play casually will probably not care, I do think it's a loss to many others.

.....and erm.. dare I say it, please don't make a VR only category lol or I'm gonna end up roaming a very desolate and baron wilderness with no eggs to break or fights to be had.

 

[RelatedNoobs]

I’ve been following this thread for a while and have decided to finally chime in because some arguments people are giving is kind of ridiculous. To start off, many pc players are upset that games will be harder now, honestly, I feel it shouldve been this hard since the beginning. It is completely wack to think that pc vs mobile in any way is fair.

This leads to a second argument I’m seeing, “some mobile/controller players are good and can combo PC players”. Mhm, and exactly how many people do you know that can do that? We are trying to keep the average mobile/controller players in mind here. Not absolute godlike players - I think people are missing this point a lot.

The next thing to talk about is the stream sniping games which I’ve seen people upset about. I feel like custom servers are going to be a much better solution to getting better games. When we try to all click the join button at the same time, usually only 6-7 people out of the 60+ waiting in the lobby actually get into the game, meaning there is 53+ people who didn’t get into the game. What I’m trying to say is the stream-snipe me system is pretty broken, and I would rather have custom servers and platform-based matchmaking than to continue using this system. Even if it means we have to have a short break from stream snipe me streams.

I might add something later if I realize I forgot an argument.

 

[DarkStray]

This leads to a second argument I’m seeing, “some mobile/controller players are good and can combo PC players”. Mhm, and exactly how many people do you

Most the win10 players I run into just die to me instantly..... like they honestly feel like mobiles when fighting them.

me and toby use to do this, he was on xbox ao he would go through and check what platform someone was on, most were mobiles, but I remember a lot if the times when he says “this player is pc” we would eventually push them and go “Oh wait wasn’t that the pc player? He felt like a mobile LOL”

 

[wxzzrd]

When I first did any pvp related thing on minecraft, I tried hypixel duels. I got destroyed by everyone. I also tried hypixel skywars, also got destroyed by everyone. So i had the idea of getting bedrock edition as it was easier. And it was way more suitable for me (a beginning pc player) but i was still really really bad. Cubecraft bedrock is literally the reason why im even decent at pvp in general. I enjoyed it so much more because it wasnt as crazy sweaty like java edition. And because i enjoyed it, i got played more and more and overtime slowly got better. These platform specific games would also make it way harder for beginning pc players. Not all pc players are sweaty, i even think that the beginners are mobile player level bad. In conclusion, i just dont want cubecraft bedrock to become like java edition since that was the reason i started playing in the first place.

YES YES EXACTLY THIS MAN IS GENIOUS

 

[Wave Master7S]

I’ve been following this thread for a while and have decided to finally chime in because some arguments people are giving is kind of ridiculous. To start off, many pc players are upset that games will be harder now, honestly, I feel it shouldve been this hard since the beginning. It is completely wack to think that pc vs mobile in any way is fair.

This leads to a second argument I’m seeing, “some mobile/controller players are good and can combo PC players”. Mhm, and exactly how many people do you know that can do that? We are trying to keep the average mobile/controller players in mind here. Not absolute godlike players - I think people are missing this point a lot.

The next thing to talk about is the stream sniping games which I’ve seen people upset about. I feel like custom servers are going to be a much better solution to getting better games. When we try to all click the join button at the same time, usually only 6-7 people out of the 60+ waiting in the lobby actually get into the game, meaning there is 53+ people who didn’t get into the game. What I’m trying to say is the stream-snipe me system is pretty broken, and I would rather have custom servers and platform-based matchmaking than to continue using this system. Even if it means we have to have a short break from stream snipe me streams.

I might add something later if I realize I forgot an argument.

Well Relatednoobs we are asking for an option and that’s it.

 

[SlinkyGnu05604]

The reasons I voted against Input Based Matchmaking is:
- Having to tryhard every game on PC (I'm a casual PC player, not a competitive player)
- Limits participants in "Stream Snipe Me" livestreams
- Prevents controller and touch players from looking for challenging games
- Defeats the purpose of Bedrock, which is meant to be a cross play game
- Hackers might be more common (On mobile games and sometimes on PC games)

 

[Wave Master7S]

Are we like message farming we’re sorry if we are.

 

[ProfParzival]

This leads to a second argument I’m seeing, “some mobile/controller players are good and can combo PC players”. Mhm, and exactly how many people do you know that can do that? We are trying to keep the average mobile/controller players in mind here. Not absolute godlike players - I think people are missing this point a lot.
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I’m controller and I want to be able to play against kb/mouse. I have no interest in playing against mobile. At the moment in skywars kB test I’m just queuing into games vs mainly console players (and the vast majority are awful laggy which makes each game a long boring guess where the player will be next type run around, but that’s a different matter). A switch to level up but not down would be good.

 

[wxzzrd]

I think instead of a switch to level up there can be a switch to play with everyone, I would assume that would be mainly pc and console players , and some good mobile players, so that would be more enjoyable for console players who are bored of fighting other bad console players and pc players who are bored of only fighting other try hard pc players.

and would also solve the problem of parties because if you’re in a party you just go into a game with everyone