pekd
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i think a 17 cps limit would be perfect, as 15 is still possible to do without double clicking or abuse clicking
Minecraft PC IP: play.cubecraft.net
Most decent players already avoid many cube game modes because games get repetitive cos they're literally just killing nons and it's simply not a challenge, eggwars solos was like that for a long while until season 1 added a bit of competition into it.
Many good players just follow the crowd and jump ship to other platforms, but I would have thought that it would be in Cubecrafts interest to do as much as possible to keep them on the platform not turn them away from it.
In all honesty this all screams of the need for ranked matches and private games. Give the top players a challenge.. they'll create content that will inspire new players to get on and play, and as much as I like giga blockwars for just dumb fun, wouldn't it be better to cater for the really good KBM players with ranked matches / duels etc and keep it competitive?
I understand that USUALLY people will click around 13-14 with these methods, but what about people who are above that average? Like me? I typically click 16-18 when I play.
Would Sentinel Ban me? Or would it kick me from games?
I understand what your saying but a cps limit of 15 is VERY low considering I am not the only on on cubecraft who clicks 15+ on average. It's not something I can really control when jitter clicking, as it is just basically a muscle spasm.
In my point of view setting a cap around 20+ would be the best option, as I have not seen anyone click 20+ without doubles. My complete maximum cps right now is 18+ and you can see this on some of my recent streams currently. making that 2 cps window is fairly reasonable.
MY Servers AntiCheat Detection for CPS
My server on Java(not advertising here, it's not even released as I am working stuff and testing it out) Detects NOT the players CPS but their timing in between clicks, for example if a player clicks multiple times within 20ms(for example, that's 50cps if it's 20ms every time )But if a player clicks once, and again within 20ms then clicks again after 100ms and repeats that pattern or has the clicks within 20ms more than 30% of the time within the last 100 clicks it bans them
Current settings
Why is "DoubleClickPeriod" set to 28 cps when the cps limit is 30?
Because Mechanical Double clicks happen over time, typically they happen in under 20ms but I found that having it slightly lower than the cps limit is better*, as autoclickers will get banned INSTANTLY for hitting over 30cps in a short amount of time, compared to people that are LEGITMATLY clicking their mouse button, sometimes double clicks happen not on purpose, due to this there is the Double Click limit, which is set to 60%, in reality this is 30% double clicks though!. because if you double click 1cps = 2cps, meaning that is 50% doubles, Obviously, but since my anticheat is running off a time period having it set for 60% looks at how many clicks happened within that time. So it sees BOTH clicks that happened as a "Doubleclick", meaning that the single double click is seen as 100%, Additionally that is why there is a Clicks option set to 1500, which is around 10seconds of clicking between left & right click.
And furthermore this only records clicks registered by the server, EX: Clicking players, placing blocks, interacting. Meaning you can drag click in the air and not get banned, as some people like running around lobbies doing those sort of things but don't intend to cheat on the server
* And when double clicking you don't actually achieve 28 cps, you can click 10cps with doubles and have doubles happen within 0.035 seconds of each other, another reason it's below the cps limit
Atleast in my last community talk in the cubecraft discord this is what we were told.
Due to doubles being dependent on what hardware you have, hardware not software, it completely depends on how well you do with what mouse you buy, making it not fair whilst on every mouse you have the ability to not double by actually normal clicking.
I'm not a KBM player but if the platform wants to attract the best players which in turn will probably make the platform more attractive to others (the top players are influencers) then limiting their capabilities down to the lowest common denominator (eg so that mobile players have a chance) feels like not the way to go.. I fear that will only be likely to ensure that the best players don't play on the platform at all and we just end up with a bland platform catering mostly to touch control players.
Most decent players already avoid many cube game modes because games get repetitive cos they're literally just killing nons and it's simply not a challenge, eggwars solos was like that for a long while until season 1 added a bit of competition into it.
Many good players just follow the crowd and jump ship to other platforms, but I would have thought that it would be in Cubecrafts interest to do as much as possible to keep them on the platform not turn them away from it.
In all honesty this all screams of the need for ranked matches and private games. Give the top players a challenge.. they'll create content that will inspire new players to get on and play, and as much as I like giga blockwars for just dumb fun, wouldn't it be better to cater for the really good KBM players with ranked matches / duels etc and keep it competitive?
To be honest I agree with this, but (correct me if I'm wrong) I'm pretty sure Sentinel can detect autoclickers, since its pretty suspicious when someone's cps is constantly the same. But other than that, it just sounds like another way for them to try to get rid of cheaters, but it's so time consuming to get rid of every single person whose double clicking that they should just scrap the rule altogether along with a cps cap.
Sentinel detects cps if you consistently click like 35+ or 50 consistent or something but it's very high. I don't think that they should scrap the rule in public games because double clicking is not an intended feature of any mouse and it's an unfair advantage but I think in any 1v1 game mode with friends, it should be treated like the cross teaming rule. If all players consent, it's allowed
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I understand that USUALLY people will click around 13-14 with these methods, but what about people who are above that average? Like me? I typically click 16-18 when I play.
Would Sentinel Ban me? Or would it kick me from games?
I understand what your saying but a cps limit of 15 is VERY low considering I am not the only on on cubecraft who clicks 15+ on average. It's not something I can really control when jitter clicking, as it is just basically a muscle spasm.
In my point of view setting a cap around 20+ would be the best option, as I have not seen anyone click 20+ without doubles. My complete maximum cps right now is 18+ and you can see this on some of my recent streams currently. making that 2 cps window is fairly reasonable.
MY Servers AntiCheat Detection for CPS
My server on Java(not advertising here, it's not even released as I am working stuff and testing it out) Detects NOT the players CPS but their timing in between clicks, for example if a player clicks multiple times within 20ms(for example, that's 50cps if it's 20ms every time )But if a player clicks once, and again within 20ms then clicks again after 100ms and repeats that pattern or has the clicks within 20ms more than 30% of the time within the last 100 clicks it bans them
Current settings
cpsDetect:
amount: 30
banDays: 30
doubleClickDetect:
percentage: 60
clicks: 1500
banDays: 15
doubleClickPeriod: 35 # In Miliseconds (Multiple clicks within this period is considered a double click)
messages:
cpsBan: "&cYou have been banned from the &6&l(XXXXXXXX) &cfor reaching more than 20 CPS. &7Time left: &6&l{DAYS}d {HOURS}h {MINUTES}m&7."
doubleClickBan: "&cYou have been banned from the &6&l(XXXXXXXX) &cfor Double Clicking. &7Time left: &6&l{DAYS}d {HOURS}h {MINUTES}m&7."
permBan: "&cYou have been permanently banned from this server for violating the server rules."
permBanAfterInfractions: 4
Why is "DoubleClickPeriod" set to 28 cps when the cps limit is 30?
Because Mechanical Double clicks happen over time, typically they happen in under 20ms but I found that having it slightly lower than the cps limit is better*, as autoclickers will get banned INSTANTLY for hitting over 30cps in a short amount of time, compared to people that are LEGITMATLY clicking their mouse button, sometimes double clicks happen not on purpose, due to this there is the Double Click limit, which is set to 60%, in reality this is 30% double clicks though!. because if you double click 1cps = 2cps, meaning that is 50% doubles, Obviously, but since my anticheat is running off a time period having it set for 60% looks at how many clicks happened within that time. So it sees BOTH clicks that happened as a "Doubleclick", meaning that the single double click is seen as 100%, Additionally that is why there is a Clicks option set to 1500, which is around 10seconds of clicking between left & right click.
And furthermore this only records clicks registered by the server, EX: Clicking players, placing blocks, interacting. Meaning you can drag click in the air and not get banned, as some people like running around lobbies doing those sort of things but don't intend to cheat on the server
* And when double clicking you don't actually achieve 28 cps, you can click 10cps with doubles and have doubles happen within 0.035 seconds of each other, another reason it's below the cps limit
20-25 would be a perfect cps cap. with dc and drag allowed on the server
I disagree with removing double clicking, because than it becomes unfair to mobile/controller players.
I feel like 15 cps is too low of a cap, since there are many players that can jitter 17-18 cps and would cause many false bans
Mobile players can click more than 15 cps same as controller and pc players I don’t see any reason why it should be 15 as it might be too low, something around 20-22 should be good.
Controller layers don't get above 15 unless they double click, have a broken controller, or auto/macro
It is possible to get more than 15 cps con controller if you change the default controls.
Show me someone legit hitting it. I've personally never seen or heard of anyone who can click above 15 on a controller in pvp without using a clicking method that would be considered cheating by cubecraft
I can jittercl;ick 16+ on controller, not playable though so I doubt anyone actually uses it
Most people on bedrock are actually consoles! (Xbox, Playstation, Nintendo Switch) with Mobile being the close second and the PC players being the smallest of them all.
Atleast in my last community talk in the cubecraft discord this is what we were told.
Not only controller/Touch players but other PC players as well, because there are people that play trackpad and most people normal click(which doesn't double if you truly normal click) and it's also dependent on what mouse you buy, some office mice double and others, when they do double, cancel out basically all the clicks so it is not fair to 90% of the players on the network.
Due to doubles being dependent on what hardware you have, hardware not software, it completely depends on how well you do with what mouse you buy, making it not fair whilst on every mouse you have the ability to not double by actually normal clicking.
This is a nice idea, but this isn't 1.8.9 PvP. I see with bedrock edition though. Maybe bedrock edition should have one.
CPS capping is a double-edged sword, It will make autoclickers and cheaters much more weak at the cost of lowering the skillgap, especially because in the bedrock server is platform locked I'd say if you want to make a CPS cap it should be 20 So those who mastered clicking fast will be rewarded for it, I myself click at 8-9 CPS and can compete with those who click twice as fast as me.
