Bedrock Update the punishment for cheaters

[Banwave]

Examption from the current rules:

1.2 - Use of illegal clients or mods (Cheating)​

Any client/mod that provides a distinct, gameplay-changing advantage is illegal.
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Punishment track: 7 day ban (Sentinel only) → 30 day ban → Permanent ban

Ok so far, but can we make it so that either with the first or second ban all statistic will be deleted? As they made their progress by cheating it should be taking away.

 

[We1rdPenguin]

I feel if they do this, it should be second ban, this is because false bans happen, but two are very unlikely

 

[Maaarijn]

I don't agree. First of all most cheaters only get the chance to cheat for a really short time before getting banned, meaning they will only win a few games with cheats. This won't really impact any leaderboards or things like that, so I don't see the point of resetting their statistics. Upon that there are false bans sometimes. And also, imagine if your account gets hacked and someone uses cheats on it, which happens sometimes. It would be really unfair if your statistics would be deleted.

 

[We1rdPenguin]

I don't agree. Most cheaters only get the chance to cheat for a really short time before getting banned, meaning they will only win a few games with cheats. This won't really impact any leaderboards or things like that, so I don't see the point of adding this. Upon that there also are false ban. And also, imagine if your account gets hacked and someone uses cheats on it, which happens sometimes. It would be really unfair if your statistics would be deleted.

yeah, but it' hard to ban antikb or 3.2 block reach with ping spoof

 

[remio]

I feel if they do this, it should be second ban, this is because false bans happen, but two are very unlikely

Two aren't unlikely at all, I know people who've been falsely banned for 5 times and those aren't exceptions.

As for the suggestion, I don't agree because false bans are quite common and it'd be unfair if players would have their statistics reset due to their unfair ban.

 

[Banwave]

This won't really impact any leaderboards or things like that, so I don't see the point of resetting their statistics

It's not about the leaderboard but about the principle.

Two aren't unlikely at all, I know people who've been falsely banned for 5 times and those aren't exceptions.

That is no problem, just make it so that 1. the person is informed about his high score about to be deleted 2. the person is given time to appeal. Given they cooperate stats may not be deleted...

 

[Technosword]

yeah, but it' hard to ban antikb or 3.2 block reach with ping spoof

Sentinel can detect many ghost cheats like this.

 

[Keanu]

additionally, removing stats of someone is quite a bit of work, would be a waste of dev resources to clear their stats. we ban _a lot_ of players for cheating on a daily base.

 

[Banwave]

removing stats of someone is quite a bit of work,

Really?
Well I don't know your database structure. But assuming it is one entry per player it's just:
DELETE FROM playerStats WHERE name ="cheatingperson420";
You could also modify the ban command so that you transfer a parameter marking the entry of the player to be deleted in say 14 days. Enough time to appeal the ban.

 

[Keanu]

Really?
Well I don't know your database structure. But assuming it is one entry per player it's just:
DELETE FROM playerStats WHERE name ="cheatingperson420";
You could also modify the ban command so that you transfer a parameter marking the entry of the player to be deleted in say 14 days. Enough time to appeal the ban.

i have absolutely no idea how it works, what i do know is that's it manually done by a developer if a player is caught winfarming.

 

[Banwave]

i have absolutely no idea how it works, what i do know is that's it manually done by a developer if a player is caught winfarming.

Time to automate then I guess

 

[funkemunky]

yeah, but it' hard to ban antikb or 3.2 block reach with ping spoof

Oof just you wait my friend I've done it before :)))))))

(Also yes Sentinel already gets a lot of ghost-client like cheats).
Try testing on us.kauri.ac if you're curious.

additionally, removing stats of someone is quite a bit of work, would be a waste of dev resources to clear their stats. we ban _a lot_ of players for cheating on a daily base.

The suggestion is it would be automatic and only done when its a permanent ban. And if this were to be implemented what we'd likely do is make the data hidden instead of deleting it incase their appeal is accepted.