Java Rank pricing changes for better business.

[Fiefens]

(Emerald has that, it's not exclusive to obsidian)

It's sadly not a ton of gadgets, plus barely anyone cares about lobby gadgets since most of them do close to nothing, really

eh, it's just one, not multiple, plus, Uber cubelets have a lot of duplicates in them :C

Those are also for Emerald (the last rank to get biweekly super cubelets)

No, it is fair. Discounts are fair. I don't see how are they unfair...

Yes, discounts are completely fair. But lowering the price of all of the ranks PERMANENTLY would be unfair to the people who understood that there were sales, and decided to get the rank off of the sale. And come on, who's offering you the rank? Cubecraft. Just get diamond. During the summer sale its only 25 pounds (or around $32), and it gives you plenty of stuff.

 

[BringMeTheHorizon ♠]

Yes, discounts are completely fair. But lowering the price of all of the ranks PERMANENTLY would be unfair to the people who understood that there were sales, and decided to get the rank off of the sale. And come on, who's offering you the rank? Cubecraft. Just get diamond. During the summer sale its only 25 pounds (or around $32), and it gives you plenty of stuff.

Changing the price of an item is not unfair. I've already explained why.

I believe the argument that it's 'unfair' is completely incorrect and wrong. They bought the rank for its price at the time. They got what they wanted for the price they agreed to pay on. I don't believe it's unfair for anyone if it became more cheap. It's like if you bought the rank on-sale and other didn't, that is practically the same thing as lowering the price, except the "sale" is permanent.

Let me put it like this: If you bought OverWatch when it first came out for $60, but a year or two later, it became $40. Is that unfair? I wouldn't say so.
It happens all the times with a lot of games, or even products in general. Prices will drop after a while if a company believes that it's not making enough money. But that only happens if they believe lowering its cost will be better and bring more gain.

Iron used to be $20 and now it's $10, I don't see anyone complaining about it being unfair. Because it's not.

 

[Marieke2001]

Changing the price of an item is not unfair. I've already explained why.

I could even make it better. You’re DONATING to the server so it shouldn’t matter what you get for it in return. You should donate based on how much money you want to spend to improve this server instead of the perks you recieve for donating your money. Lowering or upping donations shouldn’t even be a big deal. I certainly wouldn’t be proud if I donated less money than my neighbour to the catshelter. Nobody’s going to say “hell yeah I’ve donated less money to homeless people, such a cheap donation”. People need to stop thinking that they’re paying for the rank, because they’re not.

 

[Andyyy]

So what does your professional hypixel manager opinion have to say about that? If you are going to suggest such a controversial change, you might as well consider all possible outcomes and reactions to better support your suggestion. I think a manager on a server with 65k people would have thought of that... Then again maybe you are lying about that too... :thinking:

P. S. There are still grammatical errors.

Not to agree with them but have u seen the price in comparison on hypixel? It's $45/£37 for MVP+ which is almost a quarter of the price so maybe this isn't the best time to bring up hypixel

 

[Fiefens]

Just pay for the rank. Boom. If you dont want to pay, you dont get a rank.

Its all Paradoxic. If you want to get Obsidian, either to support the server or to get the perks, you pay for it. Full price (unless its a sale lol). You get what you pay for. If you wont buy obsidian for the price it is now, then just get a lower priced one (like i mentioned above :P)

 

[BringMeTheHorizon ♠]

Just pay for the rank. Boom. If you dont want to pay, you dont get a rank.

Its all Paradoxic. If you want to get Obsidian, either to support the server or to get the perks, you pay for it. Full price (unless its a sale lol). You get what you pay for. If you wont buy obsidian for the price it is now, then just get a lower priced one (like i mentioned above :p)

That is not how economical pricing works whatsoever.

 

[Fiefens]

Just pay for the rank. Boom. If you dont want to pay, you dont get a rank.

(Emerald has that, it's not exclusive to obsidian)

It's sadly not a ton of gadgets, plus barely anyone cares about lobby gadgets since most of them do close to nothing, really

eh, it's just one, not multiple, plus, Uber cubelets have a lot of duplicates in them :C

Those are also for Emerald (the last rank to get biweekly super cubelets)

No, it is fair. Discounts are fair. I don't see how are they unfair...

You mentioned how expensive emerald rank is, yet you are quoting how bad my post is for including stuff emerald gets too. Huh?

That is not how economical pricing works whatsoever.

Meaning? How do YOU think it works?

Oh, and also, NOTHING mentioned in this post is up to you. You dont walk into a store and say "your phones are overpriced, lower them". Its not like they will say "OKAY!". CUBECRAFT is selling YOU something, and if YOU dont want to buy it, thats YOUR problem, not cubecraft's. Can you really disagree with me?

 

[BringMeTheHorizon ♠]

You mentioned how expensive emerald rank is, yet you are quoting how bad my post is for including stuff emerald gets too. Huh?

I never mentioned how "expensive emerald rank is".. I just said it's barely worth its price and doesn't need much altering.

Your post didn't say what the emerald rank gets. To me, what you said sounded like some of the perks that Obsidian gets (that I quoted and said are in emerald) are exclusively for Obsidian, and I was correcting that.

Meaning? How do YOU think it works?

The issue isn't always the customers'. Sometimes the pricing is unfair and no one would buy that product, and the company will be forced to lower the price. Either that, or a costumer's dissatisfaction with a product may also lead to them not spending time or money on the network anymore, because they may feel like they were scammed out of their money and they'd like a refund (which is possible btw). But, again, @Marieke2001 explains why, although the rank isn't worth it, people should still buy it, because it shows you're supporting the server and you don't care about the perks. Issue is, you also gotta cater to the people who do care about the perks sometimes.
Now.. If you actually read my posts, I said we should not lower the price of obsidian, rather, make it more worth it, in hopes of getting even more people to buy it. Adding more abilities and perks to the rank in order to make it more worth it. In which, @Camezonda already said that he agrees that Obsidian should get a few more things added to it as well to make it more purchasable and worth buying.

NOTHING mentioned in this post is up to you.

Nothing in this post is up to you either. Nothing in this entire forum is up to anybody. Who cares about opinions and feedback nowadays?

You dont walk into a store and say "your phones are overpriced, lower them"

That is because the store doesn't specify the price of the phones, the company does. Huawei sets the price of their products, the store raises the price a tiny bit more in order to make profit. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Edit: I have to include this here as well;
A phone costs money to manufacture, and the company calculates how much they spent in order to make that phone. (In this case, dev time for the perks in ranks); then they raise the price a bit, enough to be able to make a profit out of that product. Or, in the case of Apple phones, they make the prices like 30 times more than the phone is worth.

The Huawei company has gotten very successful because of their very cheap phones (Nova series and other ones), and guess what? They still make profit out of those cheap phones as well. Because they're worth the price, and even more. The company works on making deals with other companies in order to make the cost of the phone lower, and then sell the phone for a low price, and still make profit as well.

CUBECRAFT is selling YOU something, and if YOU dont want to buy it, thats YOUR problem, not cubecraft's. Can you really disagree with me?

I can disagree with you. Cubecraft is a company and needs to sell things to their customers in order to keep going. If no one buys their ranks because it's not worth it, then isn't it CubeCraft's fault now? Hm.


Disclaimer: I'm not saying no one is buying Obsidian, or that no one should, I'm just giving an insight on how companies work, at all, to make a profit out of a product.

 

[Fiefens]

I never mentioned how "expensive emerald rank is".. I just said it's barely worth its price and doesn't need much altering.

Your post didn't say what the emerald rank gets. To me, what you said sounded like some of the perks that Obsidian gets (that I quoted and said are in emerald) are exclusively for Obsidian, and I was correcting that.

The issue isn't always the customers'. Sometimes the pricing is unfair and no one would buy that product, and the company will be forced to lower the price. Either that, or a costumer's dissatisfaction with a product may also lead to them not spending time or money on the network anymore, because they may feel like they were scammed out of their money and they'd like a refund (which is possible btw). But, again, @Marieke2001 explains why, although the rank isn't worth it, people should still buy it, because it shows you're supporting the server and you don't care about the perks. Issue is, you also gotta cater to the people who do care about the perks sometimes.
Now.. If you actually read my posts, I said we should not lower the price of obsidian, rather, make it more worth it, in hopes of getting even more people to buy it. Adding more abilities and perks to the rank in order to make it more worth it. In which, @Camezonda already said that he agrees that Obsidian should get a few more things added to it as well to make it more purchasable and worth buying.

Nothing in this post is up to you either. Nothing in this entire forum is up to anybody. Who cares about opinions and feedback nowadays?

That is because the store doesn't specify the price of the phones, the company does. Huawei sets the price of their products, the store raises the price a tiny bit more in order to make profit. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Edit: I have to include this here as well;
A phone costs money to manufacture, and the company calculates how much they spent in order to make that phone. (In this case, dev time for the perks in ranks); then they raise the price a bit, enough to be able to make a profit out of that product. Or, in the case of Apple phones, they make the prices like 30 times more than the phone is worth.

The Huawei company has gotten very successful because of their very cheap phones (Nova series and other ones), and guess what? They still make profit out of those cheap phones as well. Because they're worth the price, and even more. The company works on making deals with other companies in order to make the cost of the phone lower, and then sell the phone for a low price, and still make profit as well.


I can disagree with you. Cubecraft is a company and needs to sell things to their customers in order to keep going. If no one buys their ranks because it's not worth it, then isn't it CubeCraft's fault now? Hm.

Disclaimer: I'm not saying no one is buying Obsidian, or that no one should, I'm just giving an insight on how companies work, at all, to make a profit out of a product.

Well Im pretty smart myself, and I see that if Obsidian and Emerald are selling well right now there is no need to change the price.
I also see that you just want to convince Cubecraft to lower the price for YOUR good rather than THEIRS. So I hope Cubecraft keeps the current price. As I said above, its their decision, and if their decision is making good money just fine, why change it?

 

[Fiefens]

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I never mentioned how "expensive emerald rank is".. I just said it's barely worth its price and doesn't need much altering.

Your post didn't say what the emerald rank gets. To me, what you said sounded like some of the perks that Obsidian gets (that I quoted and said are in emerald) are exclusively for Obsidian, and I was correcting that.

The issue isn't always the customers'. Sometimes the pricing is unfair and no one would buy that product, and the company will be forced to lower the price. Either that, or a costumer's dissatisfaction with a product may also lead to them not spending time or money on the network anymore, because they may feel like they were scammed out of their money and they'd like a refund (which is possible btw). But, again, @Marieke2001 explains why, although the rank isn't worth it, people should still buy it, because it shows you're supporting the server and you don't care about the perks. Issue is, you also gotta cater to the people who do care about the perks sometimes.
Now.. If you actually read my posts, I said we should not lower the price of obsidian, rather, make it more worth it, in hopes of getting even more people to buy it. Adding more abilities and perks to the rank in order to make it more worth it. In which, @Camezonda already said that he agrees that Obsidian should get a few more things added to it as well to make it more purchasable and worth buying.

Nothing in this post is up to you either. Nothing in this entire forum is up to anybody. Who cares about opinions and feedback nowadays?

That is because the store doesn't specify the price of the phones, the company does. Huawei sets the price of their products, the store raises the price a tiny bit more in order to make profit. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Edit: I have to include this here as well;
A phone costs money to manufacture, and the company calculates how much they spent in order to make that phone. (In this case, dev time for the perks in ranks); then they raise the price a bit, enough to be able to make a profit out of that product. Or, in the case of Apple phones, they make the prices like 30 times more than the phone is worth.

The Huawei company has gotten very successful because of their very cheap phones (Nova series and other ones), and guess what? They still make profit out of those cheap phones as well. Because they're worth the price, and even more. The company works on making deals with other companies in order to make the cost of the phone lower, and then sell the phone for a low price, and still make profit as well.


I can disagree with you. Cubecraft is a company and needs to sell things to their customers in order to keep going. If no one buys their ranks because it's not worth it, then isn't it CubeCraft's fault now? Hm.


Disclaimer: I'm not saying no one is buying Obsidian, or that no one should, I'm just giving an insight on how companies work, at all, to make a profit out of a product.

This is just the stupidest suggestion ever, and hear me out...
Buy the rank. Get the perks. Or don't buy the rank, and don't get the perks.

No matter what you argue about economics, or how smart you think you are, I can see through ALL of that. The ONLY thing you want is to get a rank. What for, I dont know. SO JUST GET IT. STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT THE PRICES. NOTHING YOU SAY IS GOING TO HELP, AND THE ONLY THING I CAN DO IS EXPLAIN TO YOU THAT NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE!!!!!!

Seriously, did you REALLY expect to "convince" Cubecraft to just change all of their prices?

Please, just close the forum! If you cant see how pointless it is right now, you will obviously never see how pointless it it ever.
And if you don't, I'm done with it anyways :(

 

[Jevmen]

The ONLY thing you want is to get a rank.

sorry to say than a lot of people hate the prices because are ridiculous not because they want a cheaper rank, you can always wait a sale

 

[Fiefens]

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This fourm post is so stupid.
Buy the rank. Get the perks. Or dont buy the rank, and dont get the perks.

No matter what you argue about economics, or how smart you think you are, I can see through ALL of that. The ONLY thing you want is to get a rank. What for, I dont know. SO JUST GET IT. STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT THE PRICES. NOTHING YOU SAY IS GOING TO HELP, AND THE ONLY THING I CAN DO IS EXPLAIN TO YOU THAT NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE!!!!!!

Seriously, did you REALLY expect to "convince" cubecraft to just change all of their prices?

Please, just close the fourm! If you cant see how pointless it is right now, you will obviously never see how pointless it it ever.
And if you dont, Im done with it anyways :p

 

[Fiefens]

sorry to say than a lot of people hate the prices because are ridiculous not because they want a cheaper rank, you can always wait a sale

Yes. Please. Wait for a sale. Thats what I did, at least.

 

[BringMeTheHorizon ♠]

There's just no point in trying to argue with you lol. You've taken this so personally... it's just.. not...

and I see that if Obsidian and Emerald are selling well right now there is no need to change the price.

did you even read anything I said whatsoever? Apparently not. I literally said Emerald doesn't need much altering and that we SHOULD NOT LOWER THE PRICE OF OBSIDIAN, RATHER, MAKE IT MORE WORTH IT AND GIVING IT MORE PERKS. I'm writing this in caps, not because I'm "mad", just to highlight it for you, since you seem to just completely skim through everything I've typed without reading a single bit of it.

I also see that you just want to convince Cubecraft to lower the price for YOUR good rather than THEIRS.

Oh, yeah? I tried convincing CubeCraft to lower their price? Yup.. you're not reading anything I'm typing... and this is just sad.

I can see through ALL of that. The ONLY thing you want is to get a rank.

Now, this shows how much you've taken this personally. No, I do not want to get a rank. No matter what Obsidian has, it'll never be worth it in my eyes because I cannot afford to pay several dozens of dollars on a virtual rank that offers close to no real value. My current rank (Emerald) was not even purchased by me, it was mostly by a friend. Even my Minecraft account wasn't purchased by me. So, just calm down, and instead of taking things personally, how about you actually give valid points for once?

Seriously, did you REALLY expect to "convince" Cubecraft to just change all of their prices?

I have never said they should change all of their prices.

Please, just close the forum! If you cant see how pointless it is right now, you will obviously never see how pointless it it ever.

It's pretty pointless indeed, because you're not even reading my messages. Please, don't tell me that you are reading them, because one of the most obvious things I can mention to disprove that is you going at me for trying to change the prices while I clearly said they shouldn't alter the prices whatsoever.

This fourm post is stupid

I do have to agree on that, the thread itself isn't the greatest, and I gave a valid alternative to the thread itself while completely validating (imo) every point I've ever suggested or talked about. Meanwhile, all you've done is go on baseless arguments (that you can't prove) on how all I want is to buy a rank which is why I'm even arguing here.


TL;DR: You've taken this personally, and you're not reading anything I'm saying. Either stop the two aforementioned, or stop replying.

 

[Fiefens]

There's just no point in trying to argue with you lol. You've taken this so personally... it's just.. not...

did you even read anything I said whatsoever? Apparently not. I literally said Emerald doesn't need much altering and that we SHOULD NOT LOWER THE PRICE OF OBSIDIAN, RATHER, MAKE IT MORE WORTH IT AND GIVING IT MORE PERKS. I'm writing this in caps, not because I'm "mad", just to highlight it for you, since you seem to just completely skim through everything I've typed without reading a single bit of it.
Oh, yeah? I tried convincing CubeCraft to lower their price? Yup.. you're not reading anything I'm typing... and this is just sad.

Now, this shows how much you've taken this personally. No, I do not want to get a rank. No matter what Obsidian has, it'll never be worth it in my eyes because I cannot afford to pay several dozens of dollars on a virtual rank that offers close to no real value. My current rank (Emerald) was not even purchased by me, it was mostly by a friend. Even my Minecraft account wasn't purchased by me. So, just calm down, and instead of taking things personally, how about you actually give valid points for once?

I have never said they should change all of their prices.

It's pretty pointless indeed, because you're not even reading my messages. Please, don't tell me that you are reading them, because one of the most obvious things I can mention to disprove that is you going at me for trying to change the prices while I clearly said they shouldn't alter the prices whatsoever.

I do have to agree on that, the thread itself isn't the greatest, and I gave a valid alternative to the thread itself while completely validating (imo) every point I've ever suggested or talked about. Meanwhile, all you've done is go on baseless arguments (that you can't prove) on how all I want is to buy a rank which is why I'm even arguing here.


TL;DR: You've taken this personally, and you're not reading anything I'm saying. Either stop the two aforementioned, or stop replying.

Ohhhh so YOU are saying to add more stuff to the ranks now? Oh I thought you were supporting the disscussion topic :P. I totally agree with that. I thought you were saying to lower the price.

 

[Quetzi]

Think it's about time to close this thread now, no point getting all heated about it, the differences between your arguments are minimal at best.