Java Skywars - Kit revamp

[Fisktratt]

The point with this suggestion is to revamp the kits so they work for every voting option. In my opinion, the other kits are good as they are. I think this could work, but if you got any better ideas, please reply to the thread.

Spoiler: Lumberjack

Basic
Wood Axe (Sharpness II, Efficiency III)
10 x Log
Stone Pickaxe

Normal
Stone Axe (Sharpness II, Efficiency III)
10 x Log
Stone Pickaxe

OP
Diamond Axe (Sharpness III, Efficiency III)
10 x Log
Stone Pickaxe

Spoiler: Blacksmith

Basic
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Normal
Anvil
32 x Exp Bottle
Enchanted Book (Protection I)
Enchanted Book (Sharpness I)
Diamond Helmet

OP
Anvil
32 x Exp Bottle
Enchanted Book (Protection II)
Enchanted Book (Sharpness II)
Diamond Helmet (Protection II)

Spoiler: Digger

Basic
Iron Pickaxe (Efficiency II, Unbreaking III)
4 x Iron Ore
2 x Coal Ore
Furnace

Normal
Iron Pickaxe (Efficiency II, Unbreaking III)
5 x Diamond Ore
8 x Iron Ore
5 x Coal Ore
Furnace

OP
Diamond Pickaxe (Efficiency III, Unbreaking III)
Wood Pickaxe (Efficiency 1337)

Spoiler: Farmer

Basic
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Normal
Gold Hoe (Fire Aspect I)
Gold Leggins (Protection I)
3 x Golden Carrot
Effects: Spawn with 5 chickens

OP
Gold Hoe (Fire Aspect I)
Gold Leggins (Protection IV)
3 x Golden Carrot
Effects: Spawn with 5 chickens

Spoiler: Chicken

Basic
32 x Egg
Chain Leggins

Normal
32 x Egg
Iron Leggins

OP
32 x Egg
Diamond Leggins

Spoiler: Archer

Basic
Bow
8 x Arrow
Leather Chestplate

Normal
Bow
10 x Arrow
Chainmail Chestplate

OP
Bow (Power I)
12 x Arrow
Diamond Chestplate (Projectile Protection II)

Spoiler: Iron Golem

Basic
Iron Helmet
Iron Boots

Normal
Iron Helmet
Iron Leggins
Iron boots

OP
Iron Helmet (Protection IV)
Iron Leggins (Protection IV)
Iron boots (Protection IV)

Spoiler: Swordsman

Basic
Wood Sword (Sharpness II)

Normal
Stone Sword (Sharpness II)

OP
Diamond Sword (Sharpness II)

 

[Puffin]

C:

 

[LordSidi0us]

Okay,seems that’s good idea

 

[Megaaa]

I don't think it's a good idea though. If it's OP items, you already can get the stuff from the chests. Like swordsman, it's a sharp 2 diamond sword, but most of the times you already can get a sharp 2 out of a chest. Even sharp 3 are in chests. Also with the chicken kit, you only choose the kit for the eggs and not for the regular diamond leggings if you can get enchanted diamond leggings.

Sorry but it's a 'no' for me.

 

[Grodizzz]

I like this! Definitely think some of the kits should adjust based on the vote.

 

[Deleted member 492126]

I don't think it's a good idea though. If it's OP items, you already can get the stuff from the chests. Like swordsman, it's a sharp 2 diamond sword, but most of the times you already can get a sharp 2 out of a chest. Even sharp 3 are in chests. Also with the chicken kit, you only choose the kit for the eggs and not for the regular diamond leggings if you can get enchanted diamond leggings.

Sorry but it's a 'no' for me.

Exactly, most of the times, not always. The point of swordsman is to get a kinda good sword at the start of the game. As of now, this kit is okay in Normal chests (better than a golden sword, worse than a diamond sword).
In OP chests, getting a diamond sword with sharpness II from the kit is a good idea and should be implemented (a diamond sword with sharpness II is better than a normal diamond sword, and worse than a diamond sword with sharpness III)
In basic, the sword is obviously overpowered - that's why the kit should be nerfed: you should get a wooden sword with sharpness II (it's better than a normal wooden sword, and worse than a stone sword with sharpness I)
Saying that it would be useless since there's a chance you get a better sword from chests makes no sense. The chance of getting a worse sword from chests still exists


Overall, I like your suggestion, but

Basic
Stone Axe (Sharpness I, Efficiency III)

I think a wooden axe with some kind of sharpness would be better

OP
Stone Axe (Sharpness III, Efficiency III)

same thing here, but with an iron axe

Basic
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I assume you're saying you shouldn't be able to select blacksmith in basic because getting Exp is not a thing in basic chests? In that case, I disagree with you, since the point of the kit is to get a better piece of armor / weapon by enchanting something. I think you should get:
Anvil
32 x Exp bottle
Enchanted book (sharpness I) so you can enchant a stone/wooden sword (which you can find from chests), or combine it with another sword which already has sharpness I
Enchanted book (protection I) because I don't think enchanting a chainmail chestplate with protection I is OP
Iron helmet instead of the diamond one

Basic
Iron Pickaxe (Efficiency II, Unbreaking III)
1 x Diamond Ore
4 x Iron Ore
2 x Coal Ore
Furnace

Why 1 x Diamond Ore? It's literally useless. Either make it x 2 (OP in my opinion) or x 0

OP
Diamond Pickaxe (Efficiency III, Unbreaking III)
10 x Diamond Ore
15 x Iron Ore
10 x Coal Ore
2 x Furnace

All of this would be useless. It doesn't matter if you have one million diamonds, it's still useless knowing you get full diamond armor and sword from spawn chests
Honestly, I would remove all the ores and replace the diamond pickaxe with a wooden one with efficiency 32767

OP
Iron Helmet (Protection III)
Iron Leggins (Protection III)
Iron boots (Protection III)

Right so here, since all these pieces of armor would be useless (as I've said before, you get full diamond from spawn chests), I think you should get something cooler like diamond boots with feather falling X or frost walker II

 

[RickDeKlomp]

I agree. But I have a few suggestions/improvements:
Lumberjack kit:
Normal: Iron axe (Sharpness II, Efficiency II)
Overpowered: Diamond axe (Sharpness III, Efficiency III)
Archer kit:
Overpowered: Diamond chestplate (Projectile protection II)
Iron golem kit:
Overpowered: Iron helmet (Protection IV), Iron leggings (Protection IV), Iron boots (Protection IV).

I guess you want to make the Iron armor equal to the Diamond armor with Protection II?
This might be harder than you think. I googled a little and these are the results:

(Due to Protection's variable nature, the values next to protection levels are the LOWEST and the HIGHEST possible result)

Iron armor
Armor only = 60%
Protection I = 63.2% - 66.4%
Protection II = 66.4% - 72.8%
Protection III = 69.6% - 79.2%
Protection IV = 76% - 92%

Diamond armor
Armor only = 80%
Protection I = 81.6% - 83.2%
Protection II = 83.2% - 86.4%
Protection III = 84.8% - 89.6%
Protection IV = 88% - 96%

You'd need 3 pieces of iron at Protection IV, and one at Protection III for Iron armor to just barely pass unenchanted Diamond armor (on average).
This means that you'd need Iron armor with Protection IV to make it as equal as possible to Diamond armor with Protection II.
But, this doesn't really matter. You'd a Diamond piece of armor in the chests anyway. But, in case you won't find any Diamond pieces with Protection II, the kit should have Iron armor with Protection IV. This is to make the kit usefull in some way in Overpowered.

Overall, great suggestion.

 

[Fisktratt]

I assume you're saying you shouldn't be able to select blacksmith in basic because getting Exp is not a thing in basic chests? In that case, I disagree with you, since the point of the kit is to get a better piece of armor / weapon by enchanting something. I think you should get:
Anvil
32 x Exp bottle
Enchanted book (sharpness I) so you can enchant a stone/wooden sword (which you can find from chests), or combine it with another sword which already has sharpness I
Enchanted book (protection I) because I don't think enchanting a chainmail chestplate with protection I is OP
Iron helmet instead of the diamond one

I'm sorry if it wasn't clear, but what I tried to say was that it should stay as it is.

Why 1 x Diamond Ore? It's literally useless. Either make it x 2 (OP in my opinion) or x 0

All of this would be useless. It doesn't matter if you have one million diamonds, it's still useless knowing you get full diamond armor and sword from spawn chests
Honestly, I would remove all the ores and replace the diamond pickaxe with a wooden one with efficiency 32767

I wasn't sure about this kit, but I agree with you.

Right so here, since all these pieces of armor would be useless (as I've said before, you get full diamond from spawn chests), I think you should get something cooler like diamond boots with feather falling X or frost walker II

The kit is called Iron Golem, that's why I kept the iron armour

 

[Deleted member 492126]

The kit is called Iron Golem, that's why I kept the iron armour

Oops you're right
What about:
- Iron helmet, chestplate and leggings with Protection III or IV
- Iron boots with Protection III or IV and feather falling X / frost walker II
:D?

 

[Fisktratt]

Lumberjack kit:
Normal: Iron axe (Sharpness II, Efficiency II)

I think the normal kits should stay as they are now.

Btw I've edited the thread

 

[Megaaa]

Exactly, most of the times, not always. The point of swordsman is to get a kinda good sword at the start of the game. As of now, this kit is okay in Normal chests (better than a golden sword, worse than a diamond sword).
In OP chests, getting a diamond sword with sharpness II from the kit is a good idea and should be implemented (a diamond sword with sharpness II is better than a normal diamond sword, and worse than a diamond sword with sharpness III)

If you are decent at pvp you can easly get a sharp 2 from a guy/girl. But it never happened to me that I didn't find a regular diamond sword. I always find enchanted ones.

In basic, the sword is obviously overpowered - that's why the kit should be nerfed: you should get a wooden sword with sharpness II (it's better than a normal wooden sword, and worse than a stone sword with sharpness I)
Saying that it would be useless since there's a chance you get a better sword from chests makes no sense. The chance of getting a worse sword from chests still exists

You can get a sharp 1 or 2 stone sword in basic...

 

[RickDeKlomp]

If you are decent at pvp you can easly get a sharp 2 from a guy/girl. But it never happened to me that I didn't find a regular diamond sword. I always find enchanted ones.


You can get a sharp 1 or 2 stone sword in basic...
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The sharpness II sword is only in the Swordman kit. The sharpness I sword is in chests only.

 

[Deleted member 492126]

If you are decent at pvp you can easly get a sharp 2 from a guy/girl.

What if you're terrible?

But it never happened to me that I didn't find a regular diamond sword. I always find enchanted ones.

You can find even enchanted iron swords. Regular diamond swords as well

You can get a sharp 1 or 2 stone sword in basic...

You killed someone who had selected the swordsman kit

 

[Megaaa]

The sharpness II sword is only in the Swordman kit. The sharpness I sword is in chests only.

What about the sharp 3?

What if you're terrible?

What if you can practise?

You either killed someone who had selected the swordsman kit or you selected it yourself

They already nerfed the swordsman kit to a regular stone sword. So how can I get it with swordsman kit...

 

[Deleted member 492126]

What if you can practise?

This is not the point anyway. In OP, swordsman is 100% useless (and that's a fact). If you get an ok sword by selecting swordsman in Normal chests, you should get an ok sword by selecting swordsman in OP chests. A diamond sword with sharpness II is ok in OP
And in basic chests, you shouldn't be getting the most overpowered sword in the entire game without even opening a single chest. That's why the kit should have an enchanted wooden sword instead, to balance things

They already nerfed the swordsman kit to a regular stone sword. So how can I get it with swordsman kit...

I think you're confusing swordsman with scout

 

[RickDeKlomp]

What about the sharp 3?

There is no stone sword with sharp 3 lol

 

[Megaaa]

There is no stone sword with sharp 3 lol

Be more specific about what gametype you are talking... I thought you were talking about the OP items...

This is not the point anyway.

How's that not the point? If you practise some pvp then it's easy to kill someone with the sharp 2 diamond sword. If you just hold their hand and giving them the sword you can get in chests for nothing, how can you be better in the game... Kits are there to make the game less hard. Not to give them the things you get from chests...

I think you're confusing swordsman with scout

Oh yeah. Woops, but I swear I found a sharp 2 stone sword in a chest on basic.

 

[Deleted member 492126]

Oh yeah. Woops, but I swear I found a sharp 2 stone sword in a chest on basic.

That's 100% not possible

Kits are there to make the game less hard.

That's right, and a diamond sword with sharpness II does make the game less hard

 

[Finixly]

+1

 

[Megaaa]

That's right, and a diamond sword with sharpness II does make the game less hard

But not to give it them right away. They need to fight for better stuff...